I mean, yeah, that’s what a declaration of war usually entails.
Trump doesn’t even have the class to declare.
He also can’t. Proclamations of war are made by the legislature. (Congress). If the President sends troops in a supposed emergency they can go without legislative consent for 90 days and must be recalled at that time without the legislature’s approval. It’s stupid, because 90 days into a conflict we have troops on the ground and an immediate evacuation only hurts us economically and global appearance some worry about. Not to mention the troops lost/injured, casualties left with those attacked and Congress not agreeing to keep them there is an admission that it was wrong, so not paying restitution would hurt international relations as well.
To me it comes to, if he orders troops on the ground, an immediate Congressional impeachment would be needed, and the Senate to remove him, or they will vote in favor of staying in the fight to “save face” and not care how many innocent lives die or are thrown into poverty, starve, are raped, wrongly imprisoned, tortured, and the damages it will cause to the mental health of a whole new generation of our soilders and people of other counties around the world.
You’re speaking like you have a functional government.
The funding comes from Congress… So either they approve it or are forced to approve it which they would have to recognize they no longer exist as an entity if the executive branch can write their checks for them.
So to save face, they would have to approve or impeach. Or completely give up the guise that it is a Republic. Their votes are public record. So the executive branch could make them up, post them and threaten them not to say anything… but I doubt many of them would go through with that and not vote to impeach unless they are truly pro dictatorship. Some of them think they are pro dictatorship, but when you gather hundreds of people spending their lives/career trying to work their way up in power and someone says they are going to dissolve their positions/power and their chances of rising or having any say plummet… they would be powerless if they chose to follow… Greed and self preservation would make them not want it.
There you go again.
It used to be that non-combatants weren’t considered legitimate targets. Ain’t progress fun?
Americans have only ever pretended to care about non-combatants when it’s convenient. President Obama even invented the term ‘enemy combatant’ so he could pretend his drone strikes were killing fewer civilians.
Yeah that was George W Bush.
But sure, same thing right? 🙄
It was under Bush to justify imprisoning civilians. Bush was all for direct war actions.
Obama massively increased bombings and drone bombings to pull out combat troops and would do stuff like double tap weddings. To lower the number of civilian deaths, Obama declared any male over the age of 14 to be, by definition, an enemy combatant.
The person you responded to was correct, though a bit imprecise with their words.
President Obama even invented the term ‘enemy combatant’
There’s no grey area here, this is just false.
He absolutely redefined to justify killing children. Bush didn’t do that. It was used, under Bush, to justify torture and jailing of adults.
Obama re-invented it for his purposes. The purpose being to kill children without consequence.
In my mind, that definitional change is significant enough that he owns a lot of that blame.
Fucking goddammit, he redefined the word to justify killing children. Why do you defend that?
EDIT: Removed indirect articles for easier readability, content is the same.
Why would you post such an obvious and easily verifiably false statement.
In the history of the world, it has only been a very short window during the late 20th/ early 21 st century that civilians were not considered fair game in war, although they get slaughtered anyway. Even with civilians being off limits, as recently as WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and the Middle East, civilians have been targets either by design, by atrocity, or by proximity.
If there’s a war, don’t think you’re getting off the hook just because you’re a civilian. During war, the old adage “If your not with us, you’re against us” becomes weaponized.
i mean true honest war does not have rules like that. the reason “rules of war” exist is so corporations can keep a labor pool and capital operating with minimal effect to profit. (“Ain’t no war but class war.”)
true honest realistic “war” is carpet bombs, famine, death, and capitulation.
stop expecting “war” to involve rules, you’ll only be surprised in the end.
Well, it used to be that they were too. Have you heard of all the cities in Europe that were effectively destroyed during WWII?
It comes and goes, usually whenever it’s useful. It sucks, but war is horrible. If civilians don’t want to be targets they should pressure their governments to not be in them. Yes, sometimes it’s worth fighting, but sometimes it isn’t.
“War is terrible”
Wow, such a great take. You should be in charge. Any more deep insights?
Lol. You’re following me around now to insult me? And you called me a neckbeard…
Mmm, not really.
You can’t just slaughter civilians willy nilly. Well, you can, obviously, as shown by what’s going on in the world, but international laws say you shouldn’t.
Iran could legally intern any Americans, but civilians wouldn’t still be POW’s. And should technically have rights and whatnot.
International laws have said you shouldn’t since they were written, and not a single engagement has followed those laws. I disregard their existence as much as the people who enact war.
To disregard their existence is to pretend they don’t matter at all, which is incredibly naive.
There’s no perfect compliance, no, but if they weren’t respected at all and had no effect, the situations would be different.
For instance yeah, Russia has apparently brought out WWI style choking agents and used them. But there’s no widespread use at least, and no mustard gas. Which would be more effective for Russia to do. But they don’t, as they want to keep plausible deniability so that Europe doesn’t gain an actual reason to mount an offensive.
So yeah, while you are right in that psychotic asshats don’t care about them, they are affected by them nonetheless.
Basically ROE says that medics shouldn’t be shot, but my brother trained as a medic and one of the first things they’ve we’re unofficially taught was to hide their crosses on the battlefield, as Russians would literally aim at medics. (Finnish army.)
Not the citizens part
As if the US have ever given a fuck who they blew up…
Never said they did, but that doesn’t suddenly make it right now does it.
Since when?
Since 1949
According to the British (during the Malayan Emergency) and Americans (during Operation Ranch Hand), indiscriminately starving enemy civilians by spraying Agent Orange everywhere was legal.
In more recent history, we of course have Captain Drone Strike’s reign of terror against wedding parties and aid workers in Afghanistan.
The only thing that’s changed since the Geneva conventions of 1949 is that when civilians are targeted, the rest of the world says “tut tut, that’s a war crime” before it proceeds not to do anything about it.*
* Unless you’re from Africa or the Balkans, apparently.
What does that have to do with civilians being legitimate targets in war?
It depends on your definition of “legitimate”, I suppose.
My point is that the targeting of civilians is still and always has been common in war. It may now be de jure illegal but it is de facto not policed.
The word legitimate has a pretty specific definition it’s not really something that can be reasonably debated.
Oh good. Americans will die.
Trump will be fine.
But Americans are gonna die.
Trump is a traitor Nazi.
More Americans died of Covid than in any war the US was involved since it became a country, yes including the Civil War. The highest death estimate for the Civil War puts it around 750 000 deaths while around 1 200 000 died due to Covid. Most Americans don’t really care about the deaths of their fellow countrymen since, you know, they elected him again.
Fun Fact (I know it’s not that fun): The number of people that died of Covid approaches the total number of people that died in all conflicts the US was involved from 1775 to 2019: 1 300 000 war dead versus 1 200 000 Covid dead
People easily ignore death if it’s not directly connected to them.
Covid killed a lot but we also have many many times more people. The civil war directly effected a higher percent of the population in terms of death the. Covid did.
Covid was also hidden by modern medicine and society then the civil war was in many ways.
Covid to a lot of people just ment things closed sooner and they had to wear a mask. But society was already very insular and detached from the community around them. So it was only a progression of the norm. Unless you payed attention to the news or were in the healthcare industry. All the death was happening behind closed doors hidden away from society at large.
The civil war was best as I know far more impactful to the people because of the closet connection to their communities around them.
It was far more visible in a visceral way.
there’s still time to get those numbers up
By 2000 more Americans had died of AIDS than any war but the civil war. Though I will admit I was surprised we still didn’t care when it wasn’t just undesirables dying. Turns out we’re able to be ablist enough to declare anyone who dies of disease basically already dead beforehand
Maybe they can blow up his hotels and golf courses. He’d actually care more.
Oh good. Americans will die.
Trump will be fine.
I dunno. Iran got caught by American intelligence trying to assassinate Trump not long ago, under Biden.
And with how ICE is operating infiltration has become easier than ever.
The headline is somewhat misleading. Iran said US personnel are legitimate targets (meaning those employed by the US government. Not all US citizens.
Although if I were American I would not risk depending on the judgment of a random Iranian soldier.
Propaganda is when you punch someone in the face and then quote them saying “I’ll kill you” instead of mentioning the face punch.
Haha welp, guess we have airline bombings to look forward to in the future
This timeline fucking blows, guys.
My best guess is that they’ll use biological warfare. Our culture has already demonstrated that this is a huge weakness. They could also get us with a cyber attack, shutting down important infrastructure that way.
Release Ebola or some such thing in America, and the MAGAs will make sure no laws or mandates are passed to prevent it’s spread. 50% of the population will be gone within a year, destroying our society without firing a shot.
It would be oddly poetic to use our own basic grossness against us. Americans have terrible hygiene.
Our government is exceptional at dealing in violence but inept at handling threats that it can’t beat, shoot, or bomb into submission.
The societal response and government handling of COVID was not at all reassuring. To the point that I let go of any last remaining shred of hope I had for us to turn this ship around on several metrics (e.g. climate change). And unfortunately I think it has gotten even worse, e.g. with the (at least apparent) increase in anti-vaxxers.
Same. My city reopened in Mid-June 2020 and I remember going to the gym and seeing people pretending the virus was gone, no masks, distancing, or wiping down the equipment. People are disgusting.
So I still mask up and carry sanitizer.
I don’t think they will. We as a species still suffer from diseases where shit comes into contact with our mouth. If we can’t solve fecal-oral diseases, any bioweapon you deploy will infect your own population. It’s why we terminated our bioweapons program. It’s about as discerning as chemical warfare. :P
On a related note, I’d fucking love bidets with dryers to be mandatory at all farms, hospitals, food handling facilities, markets, and restaurants. It would minimize the impact of fecal-oral diseases, especially with improper handwashing and food handling (eg, not wearing gloves).
Iran would not do that, but you raise an important point about how insanely vulnerable the US is to actual biological attacks.
Could you imagine the US government trying to get Americans to get an anthrax vaccine after a weapon attack?
Iran isn’t known for it’s cybersecurity divisions. Right wing states generally aren’t good with technology. So I’m not worried about a cyber attack.
In fact, it’s tough to say what Iran’s military capacity is at all. We pelt them with drone strikes and long range missiles constantly and they seem like they can do nothing about it. We keep talking about all this enriched uranium they possess, but do they even possess the capacity to deliver the payload to our domestic soil before we thwart them?
They’ll likely go after Israel first, so we’ll soon see the extent of their armaments.
I really don’t think Iran’s leaders are that foolish, after what happened last time someone did that.
The stronger-than-ever Taliban?
Oh yeah America really taught them a lesson by, checks notes, giving Taliban control of Afghanistan, after pouring millions of dollars and ending the lives of thousands of Afghani and Americans
🎶 Everybody’s going to the party, have a real good time
Dancing in the desert, blowing up the sunshine 🎶
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS SEND THE POOR??
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor,
My money is on Iran enacting a terrorist attack on July 4. It isn’t just Iran’s opportunity to enact mere vengeance, but it is a convenient opportunity to have that vengeance become deeply ingrained into the mind of America for a long time to come. Where we would once have celebrated our independence, that celebration would be contaminated by a horrific attack. It’s not just about enacting petty revenge, but it’d be about sending a message for generations. Also, the date is conveniently close.
Edit: Spelling
Waaayyy more likely Trump nukes them on July 4th just to flex.
That would practically guarantee boots on the ground in Iran and a regime change in 3 months.
Iran’s leaders are dumb, but I don’t think they’re that dumb.
edit hate to repeat a standard antisemitic trope, but Israel would have a big reason to fake that
Typifying a nation state by to it’s goals, rhetoric, and past actions is not antisemitic, but the government of Israel definitely wants you to conflate it as such.
Maybe, but how brutal was it when we went into Afghanistan? Who did we attack when we invaded Afghanistan? Who runs that country now? For all that effort we put into getting rid of Al-Qaeda, they seem to still be running things. If I were a religious zealot, where I think my terrorism gets me into heaven, sending a message to the west in such a terrorist attack might be worth it. After all, the religious leader there is like 80-something, so he might not mind sacrificing the few years he has left for a guaranteed entry into heaven.
The cynic in me is going to bet that the Trump administration already knows an attack is coming, and they will let it happen. It’s an easy reason to implement martial law. Then, with the ongoing emergency he’ll always somehow manage to have manifest when people try to get him to give up power, he’ll let the Iranians attack. Then, another emergency is declared.
I suppose the hit on Bin Laden couldn’t have been launched without significant presence in Afghanistan. Why you stayed there after that though was weird. That seems to have been Obama’s mistake.
The Taliban offered to arrest bin laden for us and Iran offered to help but Bush said nah, halliburton stocks go brrrrrrr
The article provide zero proof of the claim in the title
Its because its israeli News and it fits their propaganda.
While I don’t recommend believing them non-conditionally, Haaretz has generally been opposed to Netanyahu and hid actions, especially after he picked a fight with them earlier this year.
Even the Israeli left parties (and Ha’aretz is on the left) supports war on Iran even if they were less supportive of the genocide in Gaza. They still have a bias.
We’re like Pokémon! Everyone everywhere wants to catch us. At home they really want to send people to Guantanamo. Abroad they need to exchange us for people kidnapped in el Salvador.
That’s how they’ve viewed US citizens since about 1979. Trump is an asshole, but going after the Islamic Republic of Iran is not in the top 100 worst things he’s done.
Is Iran mad at me now? Bruh this is why I don’t like leaving the house. /s But seriously something has got to give with this maniac regime we have here in the U.S., and I’m afraid we are the only ones who could realistically stand up and change anything. Nobody else is coming to save us.
We are the only ones who could realistically stand up and change anything. Nobody else is coming to save us.
This is correct.
The maniac regime has been a maniac for literal decades at this point. Please do something about it, OK? Xoxo
Fellow muricans; stay out of metropolitan areas on July 4th. My guess is that we’re going to see the inevitable marriage of military and local law enforcement using the “iranian sleeper sell agents biden let loose in our country” angle instead. Faux news frontpage is laying the groundwork as of yesterday.
Meh, not much to celebrate in this sick joke of a country right now anyway.
sleeper sell agents
Damn, they must be really good at selling if they can do it in their sleep!
Lol… work brain seeped through. Pump those numbers up!
This must be that winning MAGA talks about.
