NoneOfUrBusiness

Okay let’s be honest here, no major actor in the EU has anything resembling spine; they all go weak in the knees when Uncle Sam calls.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Iran–Israel_conflict ??? I thought this was a pretty famous incident.

I don’t see how that is relevant with supplying Russia with weapons agaist Ukraine

Iran is sanctioned as an extension of imperialist Western policy -> Iran doesn’t get to trade with the wealthiest markets on Earth -> Iran has to trade with whoever it can -> Iran sells Shahed drones to Russia, pretty simple.

so there might be something worth critizising if you examine hard enough.

Not what they said.

I mean Biden certainly didn’t do much to (re)earn Iran’s trust, and Israel did bomb Iran during his term to little to no US resistance.

I’d say that Lemmy is infested with Euronationalist libs, but the real problem is that the world has too many Euronationalist libs.

Rot in hell fucking vassal states.

Or, you know, the oil and related lobbies are at it again.

The strikes on the Houthis did, at some level, have some restraint compared to this shit.

Like that residential building y’all bombed to get that Houthi guy hanging out with his girlfriend? Whatever restraint was exercised in the Houthi bombings was strictly performative; the real difference between these two cases is the possibilities of US boots on the ground.

By “win” I mean “survive without regime change” (which automatically implies dealing enough damage that they’re left alone). Even that is far from guaranteed.

Only if you believe the Iraq or Afghanistan wars were okay (in which case you’ll have to reasonably argue they were worth the millions killed, wounded and displaced in the process).

Death to America.

If you expect anything else from any US regime, you haven’t been paying attention. This is exactly what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan before puppet governments were installed.

Definitely not. You’re assuming Iran wins the war with small enough losses that it doesn’t set up the regime’s fall. This is far from a likely outcome.

Frankly, best anyone can do is 9/11 or MAGA.

You don’t think America cares that Canada is a big shining example right on their border that fully legalized abortion and universal healthcare works perfectly fine?

Evidently they (as in the ruling elites) don’t. Got any examples (that aren’t MAGA, those guys are an anomaly) of that not being the case? Either way Europe tends to be brought up as an example more than Canada regarding these things, so Canada’s absence wouldn’t really change much.

Could you be a bit more specific than linking the entire wikipedia article on “Canada in the war in Afghanistan” and then saying “ctrl f Canada”?

Oh no, I’m asking you to read/skim the first three articles and CTRL+F Canada in the fourth article because unfortunately there’s no “Canadian participation in the Saudi-led intervention in the Yemeni civil war” article. Here we have Canada participating in four (five counting the Iraq war) American foreign escapades literally on the opposite side of the world that are only relevant to it because of America. I could go on about how Canada participates in America’s weaponization of international recognition and acts as an extension of American soft power, or about how Canadian capital is even more subservient to America than the Canadian state due to its vulnerability to secondary sanctions, but I believe I’ve made my point; this is pretty much the 21st century equivalent of a vassal state sending troops when its masters go to war.

All of them? Unless by “meaningfully” you mean “militarily” or “economically”, and then my next question would be… how?

I mean as I learned just now Canada has been remarkably independent in its stance towards Cuba even before the current crisis, so clearly it’s possible, but also: Militarily is obviously a no-go (vassal state moment*), but economically and diplomatically is very much possible. One reason getting on America’s bad side is so bad for third world countries is that “allies” like Canada immediately follow suit, cutting off diplomatic recognition and trade. There’s nothing forcing Canada to sanction Iran or recognize American-installed governments in the third world (thinking of Yemen, but there are others), and the Canadian list of foreign terrorist organizations doesn’t have to just be a list of non-state entities America doesn’t like. And just to anticipate likely responses:

“We have to so America doesn’t get mad at us” -> um yeah that’s what a vassal state is.

“These decisions are based on human rights” -> y’all sell weapons to Israel, Saudi Arabia and UAE; human rights have nothing to do with this.

*The fact that Canada couldn’t plausibly participate in a proxy war on the opposite side of America is just more evidence of its subservience to American interests.

Right now, we’re making deals with China in response to their tariffs.

While tariffing Chinese EVs (and only Chinese EVs) ostensibly to protect Canada’s nonexistent EV industry. While Canada has become marginally more independent in this respect, its actions are for the most part still party line despite the violations of and direct threats to its sovereignty.

Are you sure it isn’t just Russian and Chinese propaganda that has led you to believe that any nation who doesn’t automatically take their side on every issue is somehow an “American vassal state”?

Nope, I also hate Russia and China, but automatically taking the US’s side on almost every issue is a sign of being a vassal state.

How Canada treats its own citizens is irrelevant to its relationship with America, so of these only the Iraq war is relevant, and… uh… yeah.

Where are the regularities that prove the rule?

Good thing you asked. Off the top of my head: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_in_the_War_in_Afghanistan, https://www.international.gc.ca/world-monde/international_relations-relations_internationales/sanctions/iran.aspx?lang=eng, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada–Israel_relations, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi-led_intervention_in_the_Yemeni_civil_war (CTRL+F Canada). And that’s before we get into Carney’s string of capitulations since his election. If anything can you name three instances of US regime change that Canada meaningfully opposed? Any instance of Canada following a foreign policy counter to US interests?

Setting aside all other evil shit, having a coward running the world’s deadliest war machine is a nice change of pace.

Maybe put the link through the wayback machine? Or just look up the title, there’s definitely someone else reporting on it.

I mean this is the exception that proves the rule more than anything given that Canada hadn’t done anything about the embargo in the 87 years since its imposition.

Small correction: It won’t be only him (or even his allies); bombing the ME while crying about it is bipartisan.