This is almost getting the point of Arrandts ‘banality of evil’ comment.

Most human evils are done by ordinary humans.

There is nothing specially evil about Nazis.

Fascist governments are made up of ordinary people.

The video evidence is already out. Plus basically every European knows what an ultra is, and will look at the number of injured and comment “wow, that is lower then normal”

This is just ultras who got their asses kicked and are trying to claim victim status.

This is the funniest cope I’ve ever seen for ‘my countries ultras tried to start shit with non-football hooligans and got their asses kicked.’

Fighting people who aren’t women and children without total air superiority isn’t that easy, is it?

No, it isn’t.

The only gymnastics someone is doing here is trying to tie a stupid domestic politician to a much greater foreign policy evil THAT HE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH. He also didn’t have anything to do with the Armenian genocide, and bringing him up in that context would be as relevant as bringing him up in this context.

Again, this isn’t hard to understand.

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RFK Jr. Is a crazy fuck. He also isn’t relevant to this topic at all.

Bringing him up in this context is literally providing cover to the people responsible for this moral failure, and tying it to someone who, while bad and crazy, has no particular relationship to this topic.

This isn’t hard to understand.

I think you meant CIA, as mentioned by others.

The OP literally posted only two other posts and they’re both about the lies Israel published about the ‘command center’ underneath Al-Shifa.

Just a reminder that Voice of America is literally a paid for propaganda outlet of the US.

Given what I’ve seen you moderate in news on Lemmy.world, I wouldn’t be so quick to accuse others of letting their biases impact how they treat things that go against their world view.

Their Oct 1 attacks were in response to the assassination of Nasrallah, in combination with a response to the assassination of a visiting diplomat in Tehran from a separate attack from Israel.

Iran agreed not to respond to the assassination because the US promised that if Iran didn’t respond, the US would secure a peace deal for Gaza.

The fact that they delivered and the US didn’t is well known to the Persian people, even if it isn’t here. And, the lack of response was considered internally there as encouraging Israeli aggression.

The whole ‘nothing is more important than the US election’ is far less accurate than you think it is.

Iran has it’s own internal politics and factions it needs to appease.

This is true of most countries too.

The US invasion of Iraq had far more to do with internal politics than it did with any actions of Saddam.

The current elected leader of Iran was actually the concillatory to the west candidate, elected when tensions were not quite as high.

Now that tensions are high, he has to prove he’s not too weak to his own constituency, as the Persian people come together under what they consider to be an unjust attack.

Again, this is true in general for most countries. Foreign policy is driven far more by domestic politics then most people consider.

This analysis ignores the internal motivations for foreign policy.

Look at the moderator of News on Lemmy.world using this proven false narrative used to justify the murder of civilians and trying to cover up the number of murdered civilians.

Also, and I am making a small assumption here: downvoting anyone that points out what shitty propaganda their point is.

Edit: I wonder how long it will take to get my downvote?

Israel uses the Hamas label to indicate that someone is okay to assassinate in order to justify the murder of trashmen, policemen, hospital administrators and every civilian government worker.

This perfidity is clear to everyone now.

Do you think every civilian that is in the IDF reserves is a legitimate target?

That’s the standard Israel uses for everyone else.

100 infantry on the frontline is a lot riskier than support personal on an aircraft carrier nearby.

In a ballistic missle exchange, air defense is the front line.There is literally a term for it: SEAD

Any THAAD system will be a target when Iran responds to whatever lunacy Bibi concocts. And, as THAAD systems have to be operated by American military personal, that will mean that American military personal will die by a legitimate military action by Iran.

Seriously, I don’t know how this isn’t clear.

You apparently don’t understand the meaning of the phase ‘bad faith’. Not that it would matter, as I’m literally responding to your points. You just don’t like them, so you ignore them.

The country of Israel is younger than my still living father. To imply otherwise is to ignore all recent history, and the terrorism that was allowed to create the modern state of Israel. A nation, I might add, that has little to do with the indigenous populations. This bullshit of generations is either bad faith attempts at propaganda, or ignorance bordering on criminal. My father is older than this country.

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This is the literal reason I called your statements propaganda. I’m quoting them here since you seemed to miss it the first time, and ignored the point.

Time is linear. Ignoring the rogue state actions that the Iranian RESPONSE was a response to is such a bad faith action it has to be propaganda. You can make anyone look good, if you pick the right starting place to tell a story. Not recognizing that that is a classic propaganda strategy is a education problem for you

Jesus fucking christ… Why does everything that anyone disagrees with “propaganda”? Why can’t it be someone with a different fucking viewpoint? What the fuck is wrong with people on Lemmy that we can’t discuss something without it being “obvious propaganda” or some other bullshit?

Time is linear.

Ignoring the rogue state actions that the Iranian RESPONSE was a response to is such a bad faith action it has to be propaganda.

You can make anyone look good, if you pick the right starting place to tell a story. Not recognizing that that is a classic propaganda strategy is a education problem for you.

Not everything is black and white. There is room for disagreement on parts of this conflict. I don’t agree with the US sending troops of any kind to Israel and I think we should stop giving them weapons until they stop committing genocide.

Again, time is linear. That is absolutely black and white.

The only point I was trying to make is that it doesn’t seem like a massive escalation to send 100 troops and a defensive system when we already have 50,000 troops, many war ships, two nuclear aircraft carries, and a ton of aircraft in theater already.

There is a big difference between being in that theater and putting american troops that you know will be a priority target that will be killed if Iran defends itself against another Israeli attack.

I repeat, there is a reason this wasn’t given to Ukraine.

That who neglected?

EDIT: also, why are you saying there is a hole when just a little while ago you were saying Iran was incapable of damaging Israeli targets with ballistic missiles?

It’s putting 100 US military personal in place to operate a legitimate military target that will be one of the first things targeted.

We didn’t give this to Ukraine, despite them begging for it, because of the implications of US military personal potentially being killed by Russia.

Seriously, to the people acting like the obvious next step to ww3 is no big deal, what happened to your critical thinking skills? Do they go out the window, along with any anti war sentiment, when a Democratic president is in office?

It is not proportional.

The Iranians ballistic missile launch was in retaliation for Israel assassinating a visiting diplomat in their capital and for Israel’s terror attack against Lebanon.

Get out of here with this obvious propaganda that completely ignores the rogue nation of Israel’s attempt to start a regional war to save the political career of someone trying their best to get trump elected.