Not exactly unbiased sources. Also, the first one doesn’t quite say the same thing. It says the US should support Israel. The second source is exicitlt from a group who’s goal is to say that jews are all aligned on the idea of supporting Zionism. I don’t trust that one at all. You don’t get an unbiased poll from a group that is explicitly trying to show everyone agrees. They don’t align with the responses from the poll I cited either.
You’re the second person to say some crazy number like that, without any supporting evidence. I don’t think you’re right. In the US, it’s only 1/3 of jews. Whatever the number is, it’s way too high, but it isn’t that high.
Ah, yes. Giving historical context is rambling.
is your point that everyone is one people?
No? You said Jews have some kind of claim over the land. If they do, the native people have an even stronger one. Everyone isn’t one people. The people in the region are from one group (which we often call the Canaanites), which the Jews of the period are also a part of. None of them have any special claim to the land. Just because someone’s super special book tells them that they are chosen by the super cool guy in the sky doesn’t actually give them any legitimate claim. If you want to discuss it with people who don’t believe in fairy tales, you need something stronger. Since they’re the same group of people they all have equal historic claim.
how you can claim that two religions whose inceptions are thousands of years apart…
OK, you apparently don’t know anything about Islam or Christianity. That’s fine. They aren’t incepted thousands of years apart. They’re the same continuity. The prophets in the Jewish faith are also in the Christian faith, plus some extras. The prophets in the Christian faith are also in the Muslim faith, plus some extras. They’re from the same inception. Jews just don’t believe all the stuff of the other faiths past a certain point.
For example, if you stop following Marvel movies after Iron Man 2 or something, but someone else follows ones that came after, it doesn’t mean their understanding was incepted later. They just kept adding stuff. They’re all Marvel movies. They don’t become not Marvel movies because you stopped watching.
… or ignore the differing cultures…
That’s exactly my point. The Jewish culture has diverged from the one they had when living in that region, as has the people who still live their. How do the Jewish people have a stronger claim despite their culture diverging when they didn’t even live there anymore? If it’s a claim by culture, the people who still live there have a stronger claim.
… but whatever, you do you.
You don’t get to just spread lies and propoganda, then say “whatever” when it’s pointed out you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. Try to educate yourself. Maybe you can not make the same mistake again, instead of just saying “whatever” as if you weren’t wrong. Growth is a virtue, not a vice. You need to be able to admit mistake in order to grow.
OK, so I’m both supposed to know what you mean without asking, and I’m supposed to not tell you what I’m interpreting it as. Interesting. You get mad when I ask you and you get mad when I say what I got from it. It doesn’t sound at all like you’re trying to be racist without being explicit. Lol.
the they wasn’t vague… I never said it was all…if you need specifics…
Ok, it wasn’t vague, but you meant all, but you never said it was all, and you can give specifics. Oh, but I should have known the specifics from context, even though you meant Muslims in general, but you also give just some specifics which doesn’t include all of them. Sure, I know how to have a conversation. I also know what you’re doing, which isn’t a conversation. You want to just call other people evil.
btw I’m ex Muslim so I’m well aware of the hatred I was raised in and surrounded by and don’t need you minimising my lived experience just because it doesn’t fit in with your world view. antisemitism is deeply rooted in islam, it’s a fact.
Cool story. I also lived with an atheist former Muslim. It isn’t minimizing your experience to say that your experience has colored your outlook on life. I think religion in general is a tool for forming in-groups and out-groups, and that’s the issue. It isn’t Islam, nor Judaism, nor Christianity, nor any other. They all want to kill anyone else, because they know the truth. Islam isn’t special.
Religion is a tool of the elite to control people. Hate the right thing. It isn’t the religious who are the problem, rather it’s the elites wherever they can grab power. If you know your history, Christians went around murdering everyone in the middle east for a good chunk of time (and we still are), because their Truth is more truthy than Muslim’s Truth, or whatever. Really, it was just a way for the elite to steal land. The Muslim leaders in power do the same thing. They use their religion to tell people to fight for them (yet they never do any of the fighting). The Jews do as well. The Torah, which they all stem from, has several stories promoting “righteous” genocide against other groups, which Israel is using to this day to say that the land belongs to them. You just need a leader in power willing to push those messages.
My bad, I thought your comment was the one responding to me. Not the one above. Sorry.
They are historic fact, as in they’re older than what you said. Here’s a Wikipedia page that has more information. Check out “Background”. Notice the date of the letter talking about “the zionist project” is 1902. Even in 1896 he talking about them colonizing Palestine. That’s well before the war. This plan was being set up, and enacted, far before what you said.
Jews have been in that area for 5000 years since the Canaanites
Dude, the people that ended up calling themselves jews and the other people from the region come from the same people. Judaism comes from religions in the area. No one was there before anyone else, because they’re the same people. Canaanites is just a made up term that the jews used to refer to everyone else, so they could tell stories about how they were better, but they’re all literally the same people. Jews didn’t magically appear as a distinct group. Israelites of the time literally are Canaanites.
Anyway, those are not the people moving there. They’re European Jews mostly. Sure, they share some genes with those early people, but far less than the people who literally still lived there. If you want to argue they have some cultural claim somehow, then what they hell do you even measure? They’re all coming from literally the same group of people and the same culture. If your claim is that the term “Jew” is older than the term “Muslim” then I guess you can make that argument, but it’d be a really dumb one.
Muslims are literally from the same group. They follow the same god and have the same holy book (with some new ones). El (hence Elohim, which interestingly is plural) is also the god they both come from, which is where the name Israel comes from, being the land of the people who follow El. They all follow (what was formerly known as) El, although it’s been mixed with other local gods too. Notably neither Jews nor Muslims follow what could be reasonably identified as El, so neither of them have any nominal claim to Israel. Maybe there are still some small local groups who do, in which case Israel, by name, is theirs.
To be fair, they were doing it when those lines were drawn (in a different location, because they expanded their territory through war) too. The lines just gave them legitimacy. They started colonizing before the lines were made, and we’re in conflict fighting the locals then. It obviously wasn’t the scale it is today, but the whole project is propagated through conflict.
Your history isn’t exactly right. While it is the popular reasoning, the plan is older than the war itself, so the logic doesn’t really make sense. It also started before the war ended, so the timing doesn’t line up either. They also started colonizing before the League of Nations decides on that plan, which forced their hand.
It’s all a whole lot murkier, messy, and bad than the version you gave.
“Who does…?”
“They do…”
There’s always some vague “they”, isn’t there? Yes, it is promotes by some Muslims. It’s not all, or probably even most, and definitely far from it in western nations.
The same way I can say the same about Jews, because the Bible promotes killing in order to take land from people they decide aren’t as deserving, this is bullshit reasoning. You can’t just group all the followers of a religion into one belief. Hell, even the people in the same church, synagogue, mosque, or whatever house will have differences in opinion. Your logic promotes spreading hate targeting the wrong people.
Talk to some people with different opinions sometime. It might help you understand.
I know one synagogue that was attacked was very explicitly zionist, promoting the killing of Palestinians. I doubt it’s every one, but you can’t really be that mad when you’re promoting murdering people for people to want to murder you. This isn’t exactly justification, but it is an example of reaping what you sow, which the Torah does warn about.
For the “get out” thing, it could be nothing. I think I’ve said some stupid stuff being “woken up” but not actually being conscious. I don’t remember those moments, but I think I can definitely speak and do things without actually being awake. That could be nothing. The ghosting is the real issue. That is a choice. If they’re being rude or choosing to do things that you don’t like, that’s a sign to leave.
If you really want to give it a shot though and think it’s a misunderstanding, or want to clear things up, or get your possessions back, or whatever, get a coffee or something with them in public. Feel it out in person. You’ve currently lost nothing of value and have nothing to lose really. Just don’t attach more to it than it has. You hooked up with someone. It doesn’t mean they’re in love with you. So far, it sounds like you’ve had no more than a date with them. Just because you had sex, don’t treat it as more than that. You don’t know each other.
It’s a meme that the weakness of the Death Star is a tiny overlooked vent for a reason. The big things are carefully considered. The tiny things, like a dryer vent, are often overlooked.
I’d bet on it actually being a dryer fire. The timing though, yeah, it makes me think that maybe it was on purpose. Sure, it happens sometimes. It isn’t that strange. However, that’s what makes it the perfect target for sabotage.
Most military personnel don’t agree with invading random nations. Most joined to have a decent job that takes them out of a bad situation, and they get college paid for. At most, they joined for the idea of “defending the nation” (which is why the DoD was named that, as propoganda, and why I think the DoW is more honest and better).
A slimy slant.
I think this is the best this meme has ever been used. It’ll probably never be topped.
Congress hasn’t declared war in a very long time. The president was supposed to have limited power to conduct military operations, but that power has been expanded over the past century to essentially remove the need for congress to declare war.
Again, not saying this is good. I’m just saying it’s probably legal.
Yeah, I don’t know that this will cause a world War, but it does give a pretty nice opening for China to do things it wouldn’t be able to do under normal circumstances. They can attack a, supposedly, belligerent neighbor and say it’s the same thing the US did to Iran, and the US will be tied up with this conflict for an unknown amount of time. World wars don’t start from a single thing. They start from rising tensions across the board. The war with Ukraine and Iran are pieces of a larger conflict.
What did Trump say recently? Something like: “I have no need for international law. The only thing that can stop me is my own morality.” (Obviously, the wrong words, because he doesn’t speak that well, but the same meaning.) We all know what his morality is like. He’s OK with fucking little girls, and, possibly, killing them. The only morals he has is doing things to benefit himself.
No. It’s hypocritical if Popes actually speak on behalf of God, but not in general. Yes, previous Popes have said the opposite, but not this one. He isn’t being a hypocrite. He maybe should call out the bad history that his faith has though. This honesty could really go a long way to change people’s opinion on Catholicism too I think. Most people I know recognize how fucked up it’s been (and still is).