• SabinStargem@lemmy.today
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    3 hours ago

    Good. Israel’s people won’t ever demand reforms, if they don’t suffer for the evils they have supported.

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      How often is it that people demand reforms versus become galvanized in support of ‘their team’?

      ‘Rally behind the flag’ is the usual popular reaction, where any calls for reform that might have happened become completely unacceptable in popular culture.

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        Considering what was already happening to Gaza and Palestine, plus the egging on of the USA into war against Iran, I think Israel was already fully galvanized to make war. Israel up to this point has suffered no consequences for their actions, so there wasn’t real pressure to change things. Plus, they were taking territory from others and were enriching their populations - which is pretty popularizing by default.

        Iran, on the other hand, wasn’t gaining new territories to grease the palms of their citizens. That gave much stronger incentives for their population to be opposed to their leadership, up until they got bombed by “freedom”.

        Different nations, different circumstances.

  • jefferyjefferson@lemmy.org
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    I wish it were more.

    Everyone living in Israel has the means to get out and they need to do it. Israel is one of the most expensive places to live; there is no excuse.

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      You may call me old-fashioned, but I’d rather not have civilians suffer. Not all of them support the actions of Israel, many were born there, some are tied to their older relatives and simply friends, partners etc. It’s also not easy to uproot your entire living, let alone rapidly fled amidst the war.

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        It’s also not easy to uproot your entire living, let alone rapidly fled amidst the war.

        Agreed. I don’t have sympathy for the Israeli citizens because they caused others to experience this in order to steal the land.

        It’s a LOT easier for the Israelis to leave than it is for the people whose land they steal.

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          One thing many people have surprisingly low comprehension of is that people ≠ government.

          Regular Israeli civilians did not partake in the war, did not cause the apartheid, and did not steal the land. They were born there, or went there on a promise of entering a friendly Jewish community - not of murdering people.

          When the latest Hamas strike happened, this has played into the hands of Israeli government and military command. They got yet another excuse to bomb the hell out of Palestine. Some civilians were scared enough to support the “retaliation”, many others vehemently opposed and denounced it.

          In any case, deporting all Israelis is clearly not a solution now. Israel is their home. Imagine that your birthplace originally belonged to another country, and they wanted to take it back, sending you out wherever. Would it be reasonable to oblige, to leave your home and your entire life behind, forever?

          This is catastrophic when it happens to Palestinians, and not much better should it happen to Israelis.

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          A lot, indeed. But as we can’t separate them from the rest, we can’t endorse the bombings.

          If we could put those pedaling the war into one place, I’d say go ahead and nuke 'em all.

  • GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca
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    7 hours ago

    The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Gaza, Beiruit, Tehran, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.

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    8 hours ago

    What a shock it must be to be asleep in your house and have some foreign country bomb the fuck out of non-military targets.

    What a shame. Couldn’t happen to a nicer people I suppose.

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    22 hours ago

    SHOCKED! They are SHOCKED I tell you!

    Can we get “journalists” a new thesaurus please?

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    Yes but the problem is human dudes are not always what my particular media tells me. Humans almost never act or behave like media says.

    Today these exploded. They are randos doing life in a square of land that was fucked in particular. It’s probably children that were thinking about what fruit to pick to school.

    I don’t totally understand why this guy brought that up right now, but when someone does you might prefer empathy to your particular media for a little second. Maybe that’s just me. I lost the anger in a sea of tired a long time ago.

    Some humanoids seem to be transfixed by one media conglomorate or the other. It’s just not that interesting to me honestly. A handful of pensioners apparently feel the need to pump and pump gallons of babbel and irritate everyone on purpose. I sleep.

    Next day it’s those buddies being exploded and ughhh appealing to humanity. It will never happen until the boy himself stands up. Every act is one brave girl or boy becoming a real woman. Come out to stand up for the opposite of slay everyone. One or two brave randos stand up. They begin: Usually saying something like: fr hate all killing. Fr bro h8 all war. They immediately gets shit on.

    And when one little actual human rando brave says something, that’s just one small step for humanity. And it was hard. In a sea of bruh.

    That will be used by propagandists to point at and say look, it is futile! It is easy to hate! Consume more media! Look! [Insert followup question] slay slayyyy

    I sleep. Between you and me bro, anger has cost. For the haters. It is very easy to follow empathy. Not like a mountain monk but. That is something, only for you. It is what it is. Easy. Awake me for the real war.

    Yes there is a war. Remember that one hard step? This is him now: It was always class war. It was always a class war. One rise, several follow. It was always class war. Every boom all this time really this thing bothering you, the god fuck media propaganda death machine demon entity. Every bullet was.

    It was always a class war.

    The media now is desperation incarnate. It isn’t really working for the kids. The newest generations seems to have some kind of brain issue. They are immune. No wonder the period of guilliotines are approaching. Shocking, I know. But imploding pensioners are a little more occamz mf razor than all the creepypasta from your local boomer tv show, no? It’s science. Razor your local boy and girl or transform from boy to gorl or transmorph from gay to mechagay lesbian and enter

    The class war

    Let that sink in 🫩

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    I don’t have sympathy for Israel because they’re the bastards behind the 9/11 attacks on America.

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        21 hours ago

        Line up all the suspects and the only one with means, motive, and opportunity is the far-right fascist government of Israel and its Mossad. They benefit politically from Mid-East war, whether they’re directly involved or not. It’s a win for them.

        That we stay allied with them despite decades of them committing war crime after war crime is fairly compelling evidence that the Republican Party at-large, and this administration specifically, are being blackmailed by other far-right governments into doing their bidding. We know there are Democrats on that blackmail list, too.

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    “The Israeli military ordered an investigation into what went wrong”

    You dumbfucks attacked a people that were willing/able to hit back, that’s what went wrong you absolute blithering assholes!