Velma

This is such a bullshit statement. Blaming only Iran? Really?

Yeah I don’t think Trump’s obsession with Greenland is over.

I wouldn’t expect anything less tbh

The entire article is women sharing stories of being abused in a specific way and the men in here are clutching their pearls about having to read about it. So many “not all men” type comments.

I don’t care if you think I’m a drama queen. Women deserve to be heard.

When you reply to my comment:

Just because it’s a type of abuse that happens at lower rates than other types doesn’t mean it’s worthless to talk about. For these women, it is a very real occurrence that happened to them. Why not give them space to share their stories?

with an ‘lol’ and deflection, yeah, it feels scornful.

Just say you don’t want to hear about women’s abuse stories and be honest.

Alpine divorce may not have been the most popular way to describe these type of circumstances where a man leads his partner into the wilderness and abandons her to die before this tiktok trend, but its a term that has been around for a long time and there have been plenty of men who have taken these kinds of actions against their partners.

Facts don’t care about your feelings.

The available data still matters, and it is worth being careful with it. A study of hiking accidents in the Austrian Alps between 2015 and 2021 found that men accounted for 80.8 percent of fatal victims, while nonfatal accidents involved more women. Those numbers are obviously not enough to make “alpine divorce” a statistical category of its own. What they do show is that the term’s recent rise does not come from some newly discovered data point. It comes from stories that expose a relational blind spot that broad accident statistics are not very good at capturing.

Forums do not replace studies or court records, but they do bring back the scene before the tragedy—or far away from tragedy. They show the moment when someone realizes, too late, that the “we just have different paces” line they had heard for months was not really describing the situation. It was putting them in their place. That is why the term hits a nerve. The mountains do not create these power dynamics from scratch. They strip them down, speed them up, and sometimes make them impossible to ignore.

That may be why “alpine divorce” has landed so hard. The term is imperfect, but at least it makes one thing visible: the outdoors are not somehow outside society. Trails, ridgelines, approaches, and long descents do not magically wash social power dynamics away. They carry them with them. And when one person walks ahead and treats their own stride as the only measure of the world, that is not just a story about cardio. It is also a story about power.>>

I’m referring to bears, wolves, coyotes, and wildcats primarily. California is similar. There’s large swaths of the US that are still very much wilderness even if there is a human population nearby.

So yes, perhaps our different perspectives is what is putting us at such odds over what a big deal this is. I would be very upset at a man who is visibly pissed off at me but won’t communicate and keeps pushing ahead of me without saying what he wants.

I live in an area that is densely wooded and has many, many hiking trails of various difficulty. It is always taught here that you need to be aware and ready for danger on any hiking trail, no matter how popular.

Wild animals and falls are absolutely a thing that makes being in the wilderness more dangerous than say a soccer field as you used for an example.

I don’t think it’s ever ok to leave a hiking partner except in cases of emergency when there’s only 2 people in the group and especially not because one of those people is being a jerk and won’t explain why or what they’re feeling or want to do. The lack of communication from the men in these situations outlined by the article is astounding especially for those situations.

lol just a small note - yeah some upset boy has now gone through and downvoted most of my comments in our conversation while leaving yours alone.

Boys absolutely get upset at my views and go through my post history in a rage. At this point, I rather like it. It means I’ve gotten under their skin just for existing as an outspoken woman.

But yeah, Lemmy is overwhelmingly sending the message that they don’t want women here and it sucks.

These men that abandon their partner on hikes because they can’t properly express their own feelings should be publicly shamed.

Honestly I ended up enjoying our back and forth so thank you for the conversation. Apologies that I was initially a tad hostile - this particular comment thread has been nasty.

People who make sexist comments will never be reduced to zero, but it would sure be awesome to not see those comments with dozens of upvotes.

It’s the support those comments receive that lead me to believe the men on Lemmy are overwhelmingly misogynists.

If I said that the women who participate in the 4B movement by and large hate men, that is an accurate generalization.

If the men on Lemmy don’t want to be seen as misogynists, then they should put in the work to comment opposite of those views and they should hold people espousing those views as accountable as they do women who are rightfully upset at being blamed for all of men’s wrong-doings.

They made a generalized comment about the men on Lemmy, not men in general.

Edit: The men on Lemmy tend to be more left and progressive and they use that as a shield to say they’re better than conservatives. But there is one blind spot that is very common, common enough that a generalization rings true - women.

You don’t think it’s more dangerous out in the wilderness than walking an aisle in a Target?

You’re ignoring that we can see what the majority of men are upvoting and contributing to on Lemmy.

If even Cesar Chavez is still a man who will take from women what he wants, then why would women see a man who is a leftist as better than others?

You already agreed with me that this thread shows that the men in here, on Lemmy, do not respect women’s perspectives of abuse.

I’ve been on this earth about 40 years. I am fully aware of how most men are, not just online, but in person as well. Women’s lived experiences dealing with men are often dismissed, as they are here, so I don’t expect less from you to be honest.

And I say this as a woman who loves men. I have a lot of good and kind men in my life that I love dearly. But they tend to be exceptions with how they treat women. And Lemmy has continued to show me this truth.

Edit: It’s actually really topical that this hit the news yesterday as well -

Labor rights activist Dolores Huerta revealed she was among women and girls who say they were sexually abused by César Chavez, the widely admired Latino icon who brought to light the struggles of farmhands while leading the United Farm Workers union.

The stunning allegations against Chavez, who died more than three decades ago, drew immediate calls to alter memorials honoring the man who in the 1960s helped secure better wages and working conditions for farmworkers and has been long revered by many Democratic leaders in the U.S.

In a statement released Wednesday, Huerta said she stayed silent for 60 years out of concern that her words would hurt the farmworker movement.

Huerta described two sexual encounters with Chavez, one where she was “manipulated and pressured” and another where she was “forced against my will.”

That just bolsters my point that the US will probably be enacting similar policies.

orioler25 Every day I’m thankful that I’m not romantically interested in men.

Velma So many downvotes from pouty boys hahaha

orioler25 Men on lemmy are 100% the socialist boyfriends who don’t do the dishes, you can tell by what they support and get pissed at. Orange man bad because fat and stupid? They love it and it makes them confident they aren’t one of the baddies. Patriarchy is bad and I don’t like men because of how it socializes them? They correctly call me evil.

This is the full context of the conversation you replied to - if the men on Lemmy don’t want to be seen as the socialist type that still harbor misogynistic ideas, then they are the ones who need to change. Not the women who are accurately observing this and are repulsed by it.

Are you referencing the great replacement theory?