The morality of torturing children cause they’re not from the chosen people.

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    In some ways we should be treating the state of Israel as a serial killer. Obviously we and any courts are better knowing about this. But should we be concerned that publication changes behaviour?

    In some ways “hopefully” they are brazen and psychologically disturbed enough that it doesn’t. Because this baby could’ve quite easily just disappeared, if they thought this coming out would make them look worse. I’m sure it’s happened.

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    This is pure evil. The Jewish god is a monster…fortunately he does not exist. Believe what you want, but for me, this is proof that atheism is the correct choice…because this evil is committed in the name of the Jewish god…who is also the Christian and Muslim god…If you’re Muslim, then the Zionists are telling you that your god sanctions this against you - because they knew him first (invented him, actually). If you’re Christian, then the Zionists are telling you that your god wants this, so shut up and let it be…or he won’t send his son back to free you from your Earthly burdens. I believed in god for over 50 years of my life. This sick shit finally proved to me that god is a lie, because if god was real and as loving as I was taught, then he would be livid at these acts. I guess Christians can soothe their conscience with “what you do to the least of these…”

    I find that god cannot exist while simultaneously allowing atrocities to be enacted in his name. If you disagree, that’s fine…but for me, even if god once existed…humankind killed him with their ingrained wickedness.

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      Jewish god is a monster…fortunately he does not exist. Believe what you want, but for me, this is proof that atheism is the correct choice…because this evil is committed in the name of the Jewish god…who is also the Christian and Muslim god

      Ok, but before you get too high on that horse, it’s worth pointing out that plenty of the most violent Zionists have themselves been atheist, secular Jews.

      Most of Zionism’s progenitors were basing their ideology around fascistic race science of the time. Not on any God-Belief. They believed that European Jews, by virtue of being a diaspora, were a degraded culture that could only be regenerated through colonizing a new homeland for themselves.

      To this day, Israel treats non-European Jews incredibly poorly (still not as bad as Palestinians though), regardless of how culturally or religiously dedicated they are, because Zionism is an ideology of ethnic supremacy more than anything else.

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      Israel is not committing genocide because they are Jewish, they are doing it because they are an arm of the western capitalist oligarchy and maintaining imperialist power in the Middle East is essential for controlling the global trade in oil.

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      If one chooses the fantasy, then everything else is secondary, even morality grounded in physical reality. If you can be convinced there’s an invisible spirit who wants you to stone people, then you can be convinced it’s OK to torture babies.

      As the Christians say - no one can serve two masters. This can’t be fixed without addressing the disease.

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      Atheism isn’t ever really someone’s choice. People who are atheist simply replace the “role” that god would have in their life with something else, be it devoutness to science, music, arts, their job, their favorite politician, whatever. Atheism is an absence of a god contruct in the world view of a person. The choice of an atheist is whatever else motivates them in life.

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      This is also because of the thousands of tribes that were told they were the chosen ones, this is the one that survived until today.

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      Using the guy in a basement who thinks the New York Times is leftwing as an authoritative source for the bias of news sources isn’t the trump card you think it id.

      A coin flip would be less biased than an American-based media “trust” checker op which reliably tags everything shotrt of Fascism as leftwing.

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        As a Turkish person, I can confirm current state of AA is pretty much voice of the government. On internal matters they are more often than not the opposite of truth. On international matters they are a somewhat reliable mixed bag.

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          Well, you see, I trust the view of a Turkish person (whilst this being the Internet were everybody can “be” whatever they want, I’m chosing to trust you on being what you say you are).

          What I don’t trust is an American “press trust classifier” set-up by some random person, with obscure connections and which already has a long track record of profound political bias.

          Being the one which decides which Press can be “trusted” and which cannot is a perfect place for a Propaganda op (if you think the Press is a great place for Propaganda, imagine how great a “Worldwide Press trust authority” is) to shape opinion in this era of open access to information in the Internet and which specifically targets newspapers when Social Media is by far the biggest playground for modern Propaganda, and this coming from a country with one of the least trusted Press environment in the World and which is known for regularly all kind of interestes doing this kind of shit (not just the apparatus of the state setting up “opinion shaping ops” but also ultra-rich setting up “think tanks” to push “studies” endorsing policies that favor them), just adds to the suspicion that this isn’t just some pure soul who is trully worried about the evils of misinformation on the Internet.

          That this specific forum - were people often get “moderated” as “anti-semites” for criticizing Israel - in this specific Lemmy server - were when I was a member of it and after heavilly criticizing Israel due to its actions in Palestine, I got an e-mail in the address I had used to register as a user of that server and which only server administrators could get from a group in Israel inviting me to a “learn about Israel” online conference - has endorsed this, further adds to my mistrust of this “worldwide press trust authority”.

          The relentless push for this “press trust authority” here has a deep stink of “opinion shaping”.

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        GroundNews also rates Anadolu Ajansi as a “Mixed Factuality” news source. Will check, if I can find more sources to this one.

        No search on Ground News seems to provide anything on this article. It’s not (yet?) listed on it.

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          Ground News uses Media Fact Base Bullshit that’s, again, a guy in his basement without any political science qualification. It only survive on sponsoring youtubers.

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    This headline is ANTI SEMETIC! Let me FIX it For YOU! “Palestinian Father TORTURES his Child by Not Talking!” NOW it’s NOT Anti Semetic!

    -Governments who Wonder why People are Attacking Synagogues!

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      anyone attacking synagogues is doing so of their own volition and are ACTUALLY motivated by ACTUAL antisemitism. Israel ≠ Jews as a whole

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        I’m sorry but at this point, I don’t care anymore.

        You can call me anti-semetic all you want that term has very little meaning to me now and that’s purely because of the bullshit that Israel is doing to a people that simply can’t defend themselves. The fact that Israel is committing the SAME bullshit that was committed to them nearly 100 years ago because they feel it’s “their turn” is absolute pure evil.

        I can’t stand it. I grew up Catholic but I hate Christianity because of all the bullshit that group has done in the name of God. I can hate the Jews for the same reason. If you’re Jewish and you condemn what your people are doing then great, I respect you for it. Just like I can respect Christians that speak out against the bullshit they’ve done. But Jewish “settlers” burning homes and attacking people because they feel they’re owed the land? torturing infants and toddlers? Call me an anti-semite. I don’t care.

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          Once a Catholic always a Catholic. Walking away doesn’t absolve your guilt in participating in belief system that has been one of the most violent forces in history. Why’d you even participate in the first place? Aside of proclaiming your disdain for the institution anonymously online, what are you doing in real life to stop the spread and influence of your religion? Are you targeting Catholics in your community? Destroyed any houses of worship or places where they gather. How do I even know you’re a non-practicing Catholic, maybe you look like one…

          This is what the stupidity of antisemitism looks like. It ignores any subtleties or nuance in the life of an individual and heaps the blame for the actions of some on all, regardless of whether that someone even endorses it or has the capacity to prevent it. Think Joe Jew in Nebraska has any power to stop the Israeli government even if he finds their goals abhorrent? He’s as powerless to stop them as you are.

          You’re upset that some in Israel are harming those who can’t defend themselves, including children. Hate crimes don’t require the victim to actually be whatever the perpetrator thinks they are. You endorse blanket antisemitism and you’ll end up with neo-Nazis shooting up places Jews (or people they think are Jews) are located and unprotected, probably get some kids while they’re at it. Turning your rage against anyone that reminds you of who you’re actually upset with is just redirecting your anger to the most convenient target.

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          Calling out judaism the religion as bullshit is totally fine, when people talk about anti-semitism i believe they have in mind racial positions against jewish people

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        I know one synagogue that was attacked was very explicitly zionist, promoting the killing of Palestinians. I doubt it’s every one, but you can’t really be that mad when you’re promoting murdering people for people to want to murder you. This isn’t exactly justification, but it is an example of reaping what you sow, which the Torah does warn about.

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        Exactly, there’s a difference between Jews and Israelis. Attacking synagogues is wrong but AIPAC offices, we can have a conversation about those.

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        Israel and its acolytes “don’t help” by keeping repeating it’s their biblical right. This results in a unilateral meaning and use of the term “anti-Semitism”.

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              they do.

              "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.’

              read a book, it might help you understand

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                “Who does…?”

                “They do…”

                There’s always some vague “they”, isn’t there? Yes, it is promotes by some Muslims. It’s not all, or probably even most, and definitely far from it in western nations.

                The same way I can say the same about Jews, because the Bible promotes killing in order to take land from people they decide aren’t as deserving, this is bullshit reasoning. You can’t just group all the followers of a religion into one belief. Hell, even the people in the same church, synagogue, mosque, or whatever house will have differences in opinion. Your logic promotes spreading hate targeting the wrong people.

                Talk to some people with different opinions sometime. It might help you understand.

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                  the they wasn’t vague, it was contextual, don’t you know how to have a conversation? I never said it was all. if you need specifics, extremist Islamist do. there’s you go, question answered. I didn’t group anyone. I just point out a belief held by many. I also didn’t state any logic, just facts, which you don’t seem to like. btw I’m ex Muslim so I’m well aware of the hatred I was raised in and surrounded by and don’t need you minimising my lived experience just because it doesn’t fit in with your world view. antisemitism is deeply rooted in islam, it’s a fact.

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                I mean in contemporary times. Not like hindreds or thousands of years ago.
                i’m not saying nobody says so. But who justifies war, genocide and land acquisition with biblical/islamic/judaic/… arguments. In this day and age.

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        It’s a racist cult sure but burning synagogues is counter productive. Better to lobby for a ban to the abuse these lunatics put their children through.

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    It’s just splendid that world gets to watch a genocidal colonial settler project akin to what European colonial powers were up to two hundred years ago all because Britain promised land to a group of people one hundred years ago. For an empire that loved beuraucracy how were they such absolute shit at drawing borders? I mean we know they believed in a global race based caste system (they believed white people were born superior) and were antisemitic enough to be excited at the prospect of Jewish people leaving their country but how do you fuck up the world this bad? Major skill issue in my opinion.

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        Oh America is as if not more accountable.

        I decided to focus on where this started. It’s well known that America is the successor of the British empire. There was a massive transfer of wealth or colonial loot that occurred when the Nazis absolutely decimated Britain, as the Brits spent essentially all of their savings on weapons purchases from America.

        America acquired two thirds of the worlds gold through world war II which allowed it to subsequently establish the Breton Woods system, kicking off its past 75 years of empire.

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      Blaming Israel’s current shittiness on some lines we drew in the sand 70 odd years ago is a bit weak mate.

      We aren’t telling them to torture kids or bomb civilians, they’re doing that all on their own.

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        Britain and their drawing of lines in the sand is absolutely responsible for plenty of the shittiness we see around us in the world today. Total coward power move by Britain to try and weasel out of all of the trouble their colonialism has caused.

        Without the Balfour declaration we would not have had the Zionist colonial settling of mandatory Palestine. The local Arabs fought for their freedom from the Ottoman empire during WW2 and were double crossed by the British who wanted the land for themselves and a little bit for the French for some reason. The British know more than anyone how the process of colonialism works being the best in the world at it. They were also aware how viciously settler colonials tend to treat the native people when settling a new land, they just didn’t care because they had their own greedy motivations.

        Britain had a huge part to play in stoking tensions between the local Palestinian communities and the newly arrived settler Jews using their time honoured “divide and conquer” strategy.

        Britain and their colonial fuckery is a huge part of the Israel story.

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        If we zoom out and look at the bigger picture, Israel would not exist as it does today without Britain’s steadfast backing.

        The empire’s successor (America) has provided similarly unwavering support.

        Throughout most of my lifetime I have watched Western countries (mostly vassals of the US) turn a blind eye to genocide in Gaza.

        More recently the double standards have become most apparent with the war in Ukraine. Western nations took the diplomatic approach of wagging their finger at nations maintaining relations with Russia while asking “have you thought what this will do to your credibility?”

        All while giving their full throated support to Israel for most of the past 50 years and before that. Any thought to how that affects your credibility?

        These are the double standards that slowly rot away the foundations of civilization.

        Imperialism bad if it’s being done to me, ok if we are doing it to someone else. Surely we can be more sophisticated than that.

        “Some lines” - what a dismissive way to put it. A British child rapist (Louis Mountbatten, great uncle of present day child rapist former prince Andrew) haphazardly drew a border in South Asia which led to the largest forced migration in human history and two million deaths. The idea that lines don’t mean anything speaks to an abysmal state of history education. There are libraries of work commenting on how the lines drawn by colonial powers in Africa, the Middle East and South Asia contribute to ongoing conflicts in these regions.

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        To be fair, they were doing it when those lines were drawn (in a different location, because they expanded their territory through war) too. The lines just gave them legitimacy. They started colonizing before the lines were made, and we’re in conflict fighting the locals then. It obviously wasn’t the scale it is today, but the whole project is propagated through conflict.

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          You’re right though legitimacy is everything when it comes to how we preceive who lives where. One has to wonder how legitimacy slowly becomes tacit approval for genocide though.

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      there’s a lot wrong with this comment. Israel was created as the league of nations pressured Britain Into creating a home for the Jewish populations displaced after the wars. other counties weren’t happy to take that population and the Jews themselves wanted to return to what they saw as they’re homeland. after WW1 Britain pledged support for their right to a nation and offered to help set that up but it wasn’t until 1947 when the united nations voted for their partition plan that it was decided to decide the land up into separate Arab and Jewish states. the Jews agreed, the arabs didn’t, and when in 1948 Israel declared independence (a joke I know considering their need for American support has never wanted) they and the Arab states were immediately in opposition and have been ever since. blame Britain and white people lol you want but actually they were wonky ever trying to help a people displaced by terrible persecution and who were unwanted by the rest of the world. it seems they still are, so maybe they have a point about that persecution…

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        Your history isn’t exactly right. While it is the popular reasoning, the plan is older than the war itself, so the logic doesn’t really make sense. It also started before the war ended, so the timing doesn’t line up either. They also started colonizing before the League of Nations decides on that plan, which forced their hand.

        It’s all a whole lot murkier, messy, and bad than the version you gave.

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          the years of these events are historical facts, not sure what debate there is. nothing happens in a vacuum though and one thing leads to another etc. perhaps you’d like to show me sources for how I’m wrong? Jews have been in that area for 5000 years since the Canaanites, is that the colonising you are refering to? as I’m not sure that buzzword applies here

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            They are historic fact, as in they’re older than what you said. Here’s a Wikipedia page that has more information. Check out “Background”. Notice the date of the letter talking about “the zionist project” is 1902. Even in 1896 he talking about them colonizing Palestine. That’s well before the war. This plan was being set up, and enacted, far before what you said.

            Jews have been in that area for 5000 years since the Canaanites

            Dude, the people that ended up calling themselves jews and the other people from the region come from the same people. Judaism comes from religions in the area. No one was there before anyone else, because they’re the same people. Canaanites is just a made up term that the jews used to refer to everyone else, so they could tell stories about how they were better, but they’re all literally the same people. Jews didn’t magically appear as a distinct group. Israelites of the time literally are Canaanites.

            Anyway, those are not the people moving there. They’re European Jews mostly. Sure, they share some genes with those early people, but far less than the people who literally still lived there. If you want to argue they have some cultural claim somehow, then what they hell do you even measure? They’re all coming from literally the same group of people and the same culture. If your claim is that the term “Jew” is older than the term “Muslim” then I guess you can make that argument, but it’d be a really dumb one.

            Muslims are literally from the same group. They follow the same god and have the same holy book (with some new ones). El (hence Elohim, which interestingly is plural) is also the god they both come from, which is where the name Israel comes from, being the land of the people who follow El. They all follow (what was formerly known as) El, although it’s been mixed with other local gods too. Notably neither Jews nor Muslims follow what could be reasonably identified as El, so neither of them have any nominal claim to Israel. Maybe there are still some small local groups who do, in which case Israel, by name, is theirs.