"The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.’
There’s always some vague “they”, isn’t there? Yes, it is promotes by some Muslims. It’s not all, or probably even most, and definitely far from it in western nations.
The same way I can say the same about Jews, because the Bible promotes killing in order to take land from people they decide aren’t as deserving, this is bullshit reasoning. You can’t just group all the followers of a religion into one belief. Hell, even the people in the same church, synagogue, mosque, or whatever house will have differences in opinion. Your logic promotes spreading hate targeting the wrong people.
Talk to some people with different opinions sometime. It might help you understand.
the they wasn’t vague, it was contextual, don’t you know how to have a conversation? I never said it was all. if you need specifics, extremist Islamist do. there’s you go, question answered. I didn’t group anyone. I just point out a belief held by many. I also didn’t state any logic, just facts, which you don’t seem to like. btw I’m ex Muslim so I’m well aware of the hatred I was raised in and surrounded by and don’t need you minimising my lived experience just because it doesn’t fit in with your world view. antisemitism is deeply rooted in islam, it’s a fact.
the they wasn’t vague… I never said it was all…if you need specifics…
Ok, it wasn’t vague, but you meant all, but you never said it was all, and you can give specifics. Oh, but I should have known the specifics from context, even though you meant Muslims in general, but you also give just some specifics which doesn’t include all of them. Sure, I know how to have a conversation. I also know what you’re doing, which isn’t a conversation. You want to just call other people evil.
btw I’m ex Muslim so I’m well aware of the hatred I was raised in and surrounded by and don’t need you minimising my lived experience just because it doesn’t fit in with your world view. antisemitism is deeply rooted in islam, it’s a fact.
Cool story. I also lived with an atheist former Muslim. It isn’t minimizing your experience to say that your experience has colored your outlook on life. I think religion in general is a tool for forming in-groups and out-groups, and that’s the issue. It isn’t Islam, nor Judaism, nor Christianity, nor any other. They all want to kill anyone else, because they know the truth. Islam isn’t special.
Religion is a tool of the elite to control people. Hate the right thing. It isn’t the religious who are the problem, rather it’s the elites wherever they can grab power. If you know your history, Christians went around murdering everyone in the middle east for a good chunk of time (and we still are), because their Truth is more truthy than Muslim’s Truth, or whatever. Really, it was just a way for the elite to steal land. The Muslim leaders in power do the same thing. They use their religion to tell people to fight for them (yet they never do any of the fighting). The Jews do as well. The Torah, which they all stem from, has several stories promoting “righteous” genocide against other groups, which Israel is using to this day to say that the land belongs to them. You just need a leader in power willing to push those messages.
I mean in contemporary times. Not like hindreds or thousands of years ago.
i’m not saying nobody says so. But who justifies war, genocide and land acquisition with biblical/islamic/judaic/… arguments. In this day and age.
they do.
"The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say: ‘O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.’
read a book, it might help you understand
“Who does…?”
“They do…”
There’s always some vague “they”, isn’t there? Yes, it is promotes by some Muslims. It’s not all, or probably even most, and definitely far from it in western nations.
The same way I can say the same about Jews, because the Bible promotes killing in order to take land from people they decide aren’t as deserving, this is bullshit reasoning. You can’t just group all the followers of a religion into one belief. Hell, even the people in the same church, synagogue, mosque, or whatever house will have differences in opinion. Your logic promotes spreading hate targeting the wrong people.
Talk to some people with different opinions sometime. It might help you understand.
the they wasn’t vague, it was contextual, don’t you know how to have a conversation? I never said it was all. if you need specifics, extremist Islamist do. there’s you go, question answered. I didn’t group anyone. I just point out a belief held by many. I also didn’t state any logic, just facts, which you don’t seem to like. btw I’m ex Muslim so I’m well aware of the hatred I was raised in and surrounded by and don’t need you minimising my lived experience just because it doesn’t fit in with your world view. antisemitism is deeply rooted in islam, it’s a fact.
Ok, it wasn’t vague, but you meant all, but you never said it was all, and you can give specifics. Oh, but I should have known the specifics from context, even though you meant Muslims in general, but you also give just some specifics which doesn’t include all of them. Sure, I know how to have a conversation. I also know what you’re doing, which isn’t a conversation. You want to just call other people evil.
Cool story. I also lived with an atheist former Muslim. It isn’t minimizing your experience to say that your experience has colored your outlook on life. I think religion in general is a tool for forming in-groups and out-groups, and that’s the issue. It isn’t Islam, nor Judaism, nor Christianity, nor any other. They all want to kill anyone else, because they know the truth. Islam isn’t special.
Religion is a tool of the elite to control people. Hate the right thing. It isn’t the religious who are the problem, rather it’s the elites wherever they can grab power. If you know your history, Christians went around murdering everyone in the middle east for a good chunk of time (and we still are), because their Truth is more truthy than Muslim’s Truth, or whatever. Really, it was just a way for the elite to steal land. The Muslim leaders in power do the same thing. They use their religion to tell people to fight for them (yet they never do any of the fighting). The Jews do as well. The Torah, which they all stem from, has several stories promoting “righteous” genocide against other groups, which Israel is using to this day to say that the land belongs to them. You just need a leader in power willing to push those messages.
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My bad, I thought your comment was the one responding to me. Not the one above. Sorry.
You’re grand
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I mean in contemporary times. Not like hindreds or thousands of years ago.
i’m not saying nobody says so. But who justifies war, genocide and land acquisition with biblical/islamic/judaic/… arguments. In this day and age.
Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Americans. the list is endless.