By now, given the whole purposeful mass killing of civilians by Starvation, it’s probably at the level of a Holocaust.

Probably had a psychologist trained in PTSD available to provide support if needed.

The position “I don’t care about factions, group, tribes or whatever other fucked up up of reducing humans to labels, what I care about is innocent people being made to suffer” is surprisingly badly taken at times even around here.

I’ve had my posts swamped by downvotes at least once by saying “I not pro-Palestine, I’m pro-People” as if I have to favor factions rather than, you know, being against the victimization of people who did nothing to deserve it quite independently of whatever label they’re tagged with.

Even people whose heart is in the right place nowadays seem to come at it from a “chose a faction” angle rather than from a Principled Humanist one.

It’s way easier to manipulate people who support factions (just look at how the Zionists weaponized the support for the Jewish People) than it is to manipulate people who see things based on principles like “people who do no harm to others shouldn’t be harmed” as the latter will judge actions based on their merits alone, not on the labels of the people involved.

And yet the Republic Of Ireland isn’t at all aligned with Britain in this.

Not that I disagree with you, more that I think that there’s more than just that.

I lived in a couple of places in Europe, Southern, Northern and also over a decade in Britain.

IMHO, Britain has is very own cultural twists that make a certain kind of posh authoritarianism much more likely there: an incredibly entrenched dynastic elite (Britain has, I believe, the lowest social mobility in Europe) with a ton of structures to make sure it will always be so (the “public” schools -> Oxbridge -> daddy’s friend’s company “internship” path that makes sure the scions of the elites remain in that class, the Judiciary being almost entirelly in the hands of “public” school graduates even though they’re only 11% of population which gets reflected in quite different legal outcomes depending on one’s class, the The “Honors” System, the Lords with its inherited positions, and more).

This elite has its own sub-culture (even including its own accent) which amongst other things is big on fakeness and very anti-empathy (I’ve personally known a handful of people from that section of society) and meanwhile the other end of society is also quirky as fuck, in a different way (amongst other things more violent and prejudiced than in other countries I lived in, hence things like the Hooliganism phenomenon).

Then there are weird cultural postures than transverse society such as how people’s approach to their position in the social ladder is to focus on keeping those below them where the are, rather than try and climb it themselves, plus there is a general tendency to worry too much (IMHO) about keeping up appearences (to “look right” rather than “be good”) though it’s worse the higher up the social ladder one is (working class are the most genuine, middle class tend to be pretty fake, upper class live their entire lives behind a façade - hence the whole “posh” thing).

Mind you, in my experience this mostly applies to the English and those from other nations are less like that, especially the Scotts.

(I fully support the idea of an Independent Scotland in the EU)

Anyways, my point is that Britain has it’s own set of wierd quirks, which mixed with the shit imported from the US (IMHO, Brits seem to in the last couple of decades somehow have combined the worst of both cultures rather than the best) yields this “Rocketship to Posh Fascism” effect.

I am really, really happy that Britain left the EU.

Sorry to any sane Brits, but the “ever more nuttier” European country not having any voting power in the EU, much less a veto, is a great thing.

Mind you, lots of countries over here might end up like that, but Britain seems to be a decade ahead of the rest in that specific kind of shit show and it and the US might very well serve as a warning for the locals on this side of the Channel not to go down that route (just like the example of Brexit itself crushed any ideas about Leave Referendums in the rest of the EU).

Translation: “We vote for you to stop resisting and Israel letting you have a land piece of land with a size and location of their choosing which we will call ‘Palestine’ and also decide when you’ll get it, and by the way we’re doing nothing at all to force them to even do that so after you stop resisting you have no guarantees they won’t just exterminate you all”

Small country, big hearth?!

It’s only ever the European far-right, it’s not even all of them and most of the ones which are influenced by America are pretty selective about what they take in because most of that shit in Europe is seen as seriously retarded shit even amongst the far-right here (for example, religiousity doesn’t land well nowadays unless you’re talking about really backwards places like Hungary, outside maybe the UK, nobody gives a shit about the ideas of the transphobes and there is zero support for the kind of gun ownership laws the US has).

Sure, some shit does leak, but the fully packaged message from people like Charlie Kirk would just not work anywhere around here.

My bet it that it was a handful of total unknowns amongst the European Far-Right who maybe get money from American sources (some European Far-Right parties were created with the money Bannon brought some years ago very openly to “create far-right parties in Europe” and I would be surprised if certain American interests had stopped buying such politicians in Europe) that suggested this and the others just went along with it.

When it, naturally, failed miserably to gain traction beyond that handful of obscure politicians, the newspaper owned by Germany’s very own Murdoch-clone then described the reaction to that refusal by the overwhelming majority of the EU parliament to do it, as an “Uproar”

It’s funny that what looks like a whole Hasbara team has descended on this, including an account used to moderate a very large lemmy.world forum.

Really shows that this kind of thing really worries the Genociders.

It makes sense - evildoers are fine if they can hide behind Country or Organisation because it lets them evade personal consequences for their actions, but when they personally, as individiuals, with no hidding behind some responsibility diffusing entity, suffer consequences for their own participation in the evildoing, it’s a whole different story.

You actually see their fear of their collective cloak being torn down in some of the very “arguments” they’re using here, such as how Israelis should not be held accountable for the actions of Israel (even those who refuse to simply say “I do not support the Genocide in Gaza”), which is exactly about maintaining the nation working as a responsability diffusing cover.

This tells me we need many more actions like this one in Belgium - make accountable the individuals mass murdering Palestinians or supporting that mass murder.

There’s a lot of West in the West.

That said, you’re exactly right for certain Western countries such as Britain, America and Germany.

It is just delicious how their knee-jerk reaction of “lets hide it” reveals so much about their mindset and how much that mural hits the target as critique of the true role of their profession in present day Britain.

They reacted as the guilty do, not the innocent.

They followed their conquering of the Labour Party leadership thanks to a campaign of slanderous accusations of anti-semitism against the previous leader which was done with the help of Israeli-linked Jewish Groups in Britain, with a purge of Leftwingers from the Labour Party.

So it was pretty much expectable that they would be authoritarian rightwingers since that’s exactly how they behaved and they associated and got support from exactly that kind of people (having basically been gifted power by the Zionists back when people still thought accusations of anti-semitism coming from Jewish rightwingers were genuine rather than politically weaponized claims of racism).

Mind you, they only won because Britain has First Past The Post and (which is not really a Democratic member of parliament allocation system) and the Reform party split the Tory vote making them lose the top place in lots of electoral circles.

The system in Britain is rotten and the stink has risen enough to be unbearable.

Well, I mentally added “relative to America” to that “will make China look good”: Trump’s actions have made China look good relative to America.

China isn’t really any better “looking” than before, it’s just that Trump has tilted the balance against America, and hence favored other nations, China being IMHO one of the best placed to win from it in International Trade terms because they’re already a massive manufacturing and exporting nation - the need for products and services is still there and if America made itself a less reliable partner, then somebody else will be taking the place of America in the trade partnerships that will now exclude America and China seems likely to be a big winner from that.

This doesn’t just apply in Trade terms. In Geostrategical terms Trump’s Risk (and the risk of any future Trump-like president) also applies - just notice what’s happening to Ukraine - and the change in the perception of America as a reliable geostrategical partner will also benefit other countries which vie for primacy in the geostrategical arena, again most notably China which seems to be the most likely nation to in this century replace America as the top power in the World.

In multiple arenas, if you can’t trust potential partners you chose different partners or treat them and their promises with extra skepticism.

This is were the public opinion polls in Korea come in: if people in Korea see America as less reliable (i.e. more risky) they will tend to do business with America less, and that’s not just in individuals and businesses trading less with America and American businesses but also at the level of governments trusting the promises of American governments less and hence taking preventive measures for the possibility that America won’t uphold its promises.

In practice that means less trade with America - which as I explained above likely benefits China the most - and also in military and diplomatic terms having a less adversarial relationship with China so as to reduce the military and diplomatic risks from China, because Korea can’t rely as much on America to help dissuade China from any funny business in Korea so has to thread more lightly - this too benefits China as a Korea which wants to appease China is more likely to offer them diplomatic concessions than otherwise.

Again, none of this means China’s appeal has increased, it just means that relatively to that of the major military, trade and diplomatic power which is the US, China’s appeal went up.

It’s more America losing than China winning.

Well, I read “Trumpian Fascism” as including the whole random, incompetent and unthinking abusive usage of American Trade tools that’s making the risk profile of American explode.

Even plain old Fascists are profoundly incompetent, with policies which even when they seem positive upfront invariably have side effects that completly undo any good of those policies and more, plus their authoritarianism means those things are invariably forced on the say so of at best a handful of party faithfull - Fascists definitelly don’t put the views of specialists above those from non-expert party loyalists, and they’re almost never patient enough to wait for the right time and doing it at the right rate when enacting their policies.

Trump seems to even more incompetent, reckless and even dumber than most “plain old Fascists”, hence why I read “Trumpian Fascism” as meaning a particularly bad version of all that shit.

Under that reading of mine, what the other poster wrote is a summary version (roughly just the conclusions, without the rationale) of what I wrote.

I would be a little bit surprised if the people in charge of high-level trade are that simple-minded.

Their changing in business patterns shows it’s the very opposite of them being simple-minded:

I business terms, the biggest negative that the Trump Administration added to Trading in and with the US and US-based Suppliers and Customers is uncertainty - you never know when they’re going to do something that fucks up your business: in other words, Trump made the Risk around doing business in America or with US-based companies and customers far higher.

Risk is one of the biggest considerations in evaluating business plans and the more competent and professional a company’s management is the more likely they’ll do thorough evaluations of any business prospects, something which always includes risk considerations. In fact an entire Industry exists dedicated to manage such risks: the Finance Industry.

Only shitty shit little companies rely of the “gut feelings” of the business owner to evaluate business opportunities.

So yeah, in business plan models all over the World, anything which directly or indirectly can be influenced by the actions of the American Administration just got a big chunk of Risk added, whilst no such thing was added to such plans involving other countries, hence doing business with America is now less appealing that doing business with other countries, in a very direct way.

My expectation is that for most countries even the Tariffs themselves (which for most aren’t all that scary) haven’t as much impact in making America less attractive for business than the sheer unpredictability of the US Administration.

The people using force to try and scare the rest into complying with their ideology aren’t the ones being booked for Terrorism.

The word you’re probably looking for is “Racism”.

Extreme Racism.

(Curiously not just from the outright Fascists but also from the very people who have spent the last 4 decades doing performative anti-Racism whilst destroying Democracy by making it a secondary power to Money)

The Nazi way of looking at people never went away, they just changed the lists of ubermenschen and untermenschen - the lives of those from the sub-human races are clearly worth much much less than the lives of those from the master races (which is curiously reflected on how most of the Press will talk about Israelis getting “murdered” whilst Palestinians merely “die”).

(For me Germany is especially disappointing in this regard - a nation supporting a SECOND Holocaust, is clearly not better than when it did the first)

Fucking New Nazis doing their own Holocaust, supported by other fucking New Nazi politicians in the US and Europe.

Being very much a consensus based talk-shop of competing interests and varied points of view is both the EU’s weakness and it’s greatest strength: it takes ages for it to act but when it does, it does so in a far more organized way, with more staying power and better long term results than the “rush in, break shit up, rush out leaving it all broken” of players like the US (as seen in places like Iraq and Afghanistan).

The “American Way” has a lousy track record of delivering stability by itself (did it ever manage to do so after WWII?) whilst the EU Way has a lousy track record of actually going all the way to the stage of actually doing something (though it tends to act in ways other than the military).

In the long run I think the EU’s way delivers much better outcomes for everybody involved, if and when it does manage to get around to actually act in an assertive way.

In summary, then EU is pretty shit when it comes to immediate reaction and at actually doing anything but it works in long-running situations which are complex to untangle and creating long term stable outcomes.

A good example of the EU Way is the handling of the break up of Yugoslavia, though one could say it was more a cooperation of the American Way and the EU Way.

Judging by the location it crashed and somebody interviewed saying that “they were afraid it would hit the vehicle below”, it careened down for quite a distance since it crashed near the bottom.

Mind you, that specific funicular doesn’t actual travel that much of a distance (maybe 400m if I remember correctly - it’s been a long time since I had a reason to go to that part of Lisbon).

Also because it’s not that long a distance, it’s actually faster to just walk it up or down for most people than wait for it, plus this was the one coming down (as deduced from there being one below), so it’s quite likely that most people in it were tourists.