Oh, I wouldn’t at all be surprised if a lot of national delegates quietly and behind closed doors expressed a will for there not to be a public vote, since they did not want it their support for the Genocidal state of Israel to be on record and publicly known.
In Politics (and Eurovision is much more Politics than Art) many if not most things are really decided behind closed doors either without a vote or with a rigged vote - politicias abhor transparency and accountability.
Yeah, the amount of TV time spent on it is similar to the amount of TV time spent covering the European or World Football (soccer for Americans) Championships.
I suspect that without that overboard TV coverage almost literally shoving it down viewers throats, most people would forget about it.
Fair enough - I don’t really know what are the numbers of Jewish People who already lived in the territory of Palestine that was became Israel at the time of the formation of that country.
This info is all I found some time ago because I was curious.
I knew that a lot of people from Russia had emigrated to Israel but the actual number was very surprising when I found out.
But yeah, either way we both agree on the core point which is that a large majority of Israelis are not descendants from people affected by the Holocaust.
Source (at the Jewish Virtual Library)
Maybe you should tell them they’re “factually wrong”.
because nearly 100 years ago someone else did it to their people and now they’re saying “it’s our turn.”
Not even close.
Most Israelis by a large margin are descendants of people who came from Russia, not Western Europe.
Most Israelis by a large margin are either descendants of people who came from Russia, or already lived in the territory of Palestine when Israel was formed, not descendants of people from Western Europe.
Only a small fraction of Israelis are descendants of people affected by the Holocaust, much less of Holocaust survivors.
There is no such thing as a “Jewish Hive Mind” and the only thing these Jews share with the Jews who were victims of the Holocaust is having the same religion, nothing else - not principles, not ethics, not morals, not empathy with victims of extreme racism, not even most of their culture: just because somebody also uses a kippah doesn’t mean the think like you.
The Holocaust in Israel is nothing more than a tool used by the present day Nazi-like ideology that runs that place to induce collective fear amongst Jews because it’s much more easy to spread extreme racist hate amongst people who live in fear because of their ethnicity.
This explains why, rather than learning from the Holocaust to empathise with the victims of such things (which would be a natural thing for the descendants of the victims of the Holocaust to learn from the experiences of their parents and grandparents), most people in Israel have instead learned extreme racist hate for those who don’t look like them and who stand in the way of what they are told “is necessary make Jews safe”.
The way the memory of the Holocaust is used in Israel is a complete total shit show of Racism and Propaganda that has massivelly distorted the real thing to serve the objectives of the Nazi-like ideology which is Zionism.
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Maybe the really unusual thing which made it worth mentioning the “man named Kim” in that group is that out of 200 Koreans there was only one man named Kim?
That’s because Fascism is the natural end state of unfettered Capitalism as monopolies and cartels form naturally under it over time for most things and capital (which in Capitalism is Power) increasingly concentration, thus Corruption in Politics explodes which in turn accelerates monopoly and cartel formation and thus capital concentration in a vicious cycle.
However homophobia is not an inherent problem of Capitalism, it’s an inherent problem of what Capitalism innevitably leads to if it’s not stopped.
(All of this IMHO).
I’m sure he’s happy to fuck all Apple customers for money if he thinks he can get away with it, which strictly speaking would make him Pansexual.
You can have airflow friendly design without the flat single color body, plastic interiors and a tablet on a plastic pedestal.
Agreed that the whole SUV trend was a massive step back in so many ways, but being in Europe I’m not even comparing Tesla’s design with SUVs, I’m comparing it with other cars in the same category since they are still most of the cars in Europe.
Even something like a Mini Cooper EV looks downright daring next to the stale styling of Tesla’s offering.
The cars that I notice on the roads which leave me with the same overall impression in terms of looks as Teslas (minus the ugly tablet on a plastic pedestal look) are BYDs, which are way cheaper.
At this point in time Teslas stand out from the rest because they look like a mildly tweaked (mainly the higher back, inset door handles and big fat tablet in the middle of the dashboard) late 90s sedan or roadster design, because late 90s vehicles of these categories are the core visual styles they copied and tweaked in an attempt to make them look futuristic, a style which they haven’t changed since.
(Maybe that stuff was very different from the common car in the roads in North America, but it wasn’t in Europe).
The novelty value of inset door handles is gone, plastic interiors and big fat mid-dashboard tablets on a pedestal look ugly and dated, and the core car body design style just looks like your parent’s car back in the day.
Tesla are kinda like those old Sci-Fi Movies from before flat screens and computer graphical user interfaces whose idea of futurism were fancier cathode tube screens and showing fast moving green screen text. The thing is, only beloved Sci-Fi filmic universes with cult followings (or alternative universe ones, like steampunk) still keep those visuals in any new movies, and Musk has been busy blowing up what little cult following Tesla had (which itself was already limited because, unlike Apple, Tesla never stood for quality and that following was mainly linked his own personal cult and perceptions of higher eco-friendliness than the rest, both now gone).
Also the fraction of Israelis who descend from Holocaust survivors is minuscule since the origin of the vast majority of those who immigrated to Israel is Russia.
Unlike the image they try and push with things like their “Western Values” talk, Western Europe and North America are the origin of only a small fraction of Israelis.
You can see the numbers here
In Israel the Holocaust is little more than a tool for nationalistic propaganda.
Por que no los dos?
I heard on TV your muppet VP say something about “300 thousand Americans dead from drugs a year” to justify this shit and one word immediately came to my mind:
The actions of this American Administration have nothing at all to do with protecting the potential victims of drugs.
Fair enough: as per one of its dictionary definitions “Evidence” is “The means by which an allegation may be proven, such as oral testimony, documents, or physical objects” so that photo can be said to be “evidence”, just like the woman’s words can be said to be “evidence”, just like anything at all no matter how flimsy which any side claims or implies that “may prove the allegation”.
My bad, “evidence” is not “proof” (which was how I read it) and you never claimed it was “proof”, so my mistake.
So strictly speaking your statement was correct, even whilst not actually countering the point of the poster you were responding to: they claimed that there was no “credible evidence” whilst you pointed out (correctly as you just showed me) that there was “evidence”, which is not the same as “credible evidence”.
I’ll try henceforth to keep in mind that saying that “there is evidence” means absolutelly nothing at all about a case beyond somebody having claimed that something they provided may prove an allegation on that case (in other words, claiming something is “evidence” is an allegation about an allegation, so that by itself doesn’t prove or disprove anything further than the initial allegation by itself).
I would say that our discussing here shows that at the original point to which you replied to still stands: the US Administration has shown no credible evidence. They’ve provided what they claim is “evidence”, but then again a Trump recording saying “it’s true” could also be claimed to be “evidence” per the dictionary definition of the word.
They’re your fucking elected representatives, not the fucking king - they’re supposed to work for you not “act in their own best interests” and you sure as hell have a fucking D U T Y to blame them for breaking their legal, ethical and moral duty to use the power entrusted to them by Americans in the interest of Americans, not for themselves.
God damn, fucking American bootlicking brainwashed muppets looking up to “their betters” even harder than the equivalent sort on this side of the Atlantic. At least we Europeans have a fucking good excuse for all those “looking up to your betters” muppets, having had Monarchies for most of the last 2 thousand years which only ended in the late 19th and early 20th century, whilst Americans have had a supposedly “of the people for the people” democracy since the 18th century.
No wonder the US is even more fucked up than Europe with all the instinctive pulling down of their pants and shouting “give it to me more, big daddy” (and not even in a good, kinky way) whenever some POLITICAL CELEBRITY who is supposed to be an elected representative does whatever is in their own best interest.
No, no, no.
The “evidence” for the “crimes” committed by those on the boat having been either incinerated or blown into a million tiny pieces and sunken to the bottom of the ocean is just an “unfortunate” side-effect.
Well, as some pointed out, U.S. provided a picture of the boat, which was not a fishing boat, but an expensive speedboat. So there is some evidence against the wife’s claim. On the other hand, a speedboat shouldn’t have enough fuel to reach the U.S. So both stories seem suspicious.
The part of your post I emphasized is literally false. Not half-truth as you’re now implying by calling it “weak evidence”, literally it is a false statement.
A falsehood is not a counter-argument to whatever you were arguing against, even if it’s not done maliciously but simply because you yourself were decieved by one side using more showmanship for their claims and likely your own subconscious bias favoring the statements of “authorities” over those of “random poor-looking south american person”
When the US Administration says that the specific “expensive speedboat” in the photo they showed was the boat in that event, they are verbally making a claim with no backing proof whatsoever and without any proof linking it to the actual event that photo has no evidenciary characteristics AT ALL - it’s literally a random picture of an “expensive speedboat” plus somebody’s “trust me this was the boat involved”, no stronger or weaker than the wife’s “trust me my husband was out fishing” unless you have a bias that predisposes you to trust the US Administration more than a colombian woman.
“He says” is not “some evidence against” a “she says” claim.
The US provided a picture claiming to be of the boat in this specific event.
The standard of evidence for whatever imagery the US Administration provides to the Press is well, well, below what a Court would consider admissable as “evidence”, so there is no evidence against the wife’s claim - that could be any speedboat at any time: no trail of evidence links that picture of a speedboat to this specific event.
There is also no evidence for the wife’s claim - she said stuff, which can just as easilly be true as it can false.
The unbiased take on this is that two sides are making claims which are not backed by anything that qualifies as evidence: she could easilly be lying, whilst the picture of a boat provided by the US Administration can have been taken anywhere and at any time and be totally unrelated to their murder of this guy (“murder” because this was a purposeful killing which was not a Lawful Execution following a Court Judgement nor was it done in self defense, so it fits the legal definition).
And this is without even going into the detail that it’s the side which has murdered somebody who has at least the moral duty (this being the US, the Rule Of Law for purposeful extra-judicial extra-territorial killings is literally non-existent) of backing it up with actual evidence (real, proper stuff, not “picture of random speedboat with no evidenciary trail linking it to the actual event”)
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