Two wrongs don’t make a right.

If nothing happens that society and its practices will never change and the pain will continue.

If the whole castle of cards collapses due to this, whilst it’s a small consolation for the current slaves given the pain they’ll endure, it’s way more pain spared for would be future slaves.

Further, the scumbags will definitelly lose if the whole slave-using realestate-bubble empire whose value supports their wealth collapses back to nomads camel fucking in the desert.

If you’re hosting some other country’s military bases you’re either its Ally or its Vassal.

I can understand why they do it, but none the less there’s no such thing as a free lunch.

Shouldn’t have been an ally of the US and Israel.

True.

The US is just even worse off in that regard because of the very high dependency (what I read in the Omnivore’s Dilema was over 70%) of its food supply on hybrid corn.

That’s mostly a problem for countries were almost the entire food base is directly (food, food products, high-fructose corn syrup) and indirectly (chicken and cattle feed) hybrid corn which cannot be grown without fertilizer (as the plant density is too high for normal land to be able to support), i.e. the United States.

Other countries won’t suffer quite as much.

Your take on Self-Determination boils down to just saying “I know better than they do” - you think they should change their mode of government to something else which you think is better and if they don’t then it’s perfectly justified for those who you aprove off to do it for them.

That’s pure Imperialist bullshit, no different from what from the bullshit out of the elites of every single imperialist power, including America and Russia, and is a variant of the good old “it’s civilized people coming to civilize the barbarians” idea so common in justifying the atrocities European colonialism.

Maybe me being Portuguese rather than Spanish and my countrymen chosing to kick out the Fascists rather than, like in Spain the Fascists deciding to given themselves immunity for their actions and “allow” a transition to Democracy, explains why I believe that self-determination eventually works and you believe that outsiders imposing their will is a morally righteous path.

As for the rest, that’s pure dissembling and raging at strawmen to avoid addressing my points - if you could disprove what I wrote you would have done it rather fixating on spelling and raging like a child at your own, self-crafted purposed miscaracterisation of myself and what I wrote.

You’re obviously putting political loyalty above Principle and in doing so you display the same contemptible lack of Morals and Principles as the worst Americans and Russians.

Frankly, you sound a lot like the Fascists: different political flag same authoritarian heart.

Again, you’re just digging the hole deeper:

• You’re just denying the whole principle of Self-Determination, same as Americans do. It’s not up to other people to decide how somebody else lives their lives. China took every single possible future away from Tibetans, many if not all of which would be better.
• All your statistics are based on a country which has been heavilly “colonized” by the dominant ethnic group of the invading nation since. Yeah, sure, the Hun live great lives in Tibet, but what about the ethnic-Tibetans? This is like saying the territory of Palestine is much better as it is now with a big chunk of it occupied by Israel than it would be if it remained is it was back when the whole area was ruled by the British - if you both ignore the natural improvements in quality of life it would have had anyway even under self-rule AND look at the average including the colonizers rather than only the original native, you get better numbers.

Basically you moved from using the American justification argument to using the Israeli justification, which I’m afraid isn’t actually less imperialist, quite the contrary.

Something completelly different and totally valid, IMHO, is if China had inspired Tibetans to overthrow their leadership and install Communism - similar to Vietnam - but that’s not what China did: China chose annexation and colonization - the path of domination not the path of partnership.

Tibet was a feudal kingdom where the vast majority of the population were starved serfs legally bound to the land of their god-given lord. China liberated Tibet from feudalism and rose life expectancy and material conditions massively, while preserving their heritage, language and culture, and a degree of autonomy within China higher than most other regions (Tibet is an autonomous region).

That’s the “they were ruled by evil dictators so we freed them” argument so beloved by Americans when they invade a country to take their shit.

That Chinese propaganda right now - 2026 not 50 years ago - justifies China’s invasion and annexation of Tibet with the same kind of argument as America’s invasions are justfied, says all we need to know about the mindset of the power elites in both countries being pretty much the same, reinforcing fears that the Chinese Communist Party that rules China right know still has the same principles as it did back when it invaded and annexed Tibet and hence will do the same in a similar situation.

You parroting that just further makes my point that it’s justified to be concerned with the possibility of China invading the weaker neighbor country is has always claimed to be part of it rather than a separate sovereign country.

Communist China has invaded and annexed Tibet.

So China when governed by the very same political force as governs it now is a proven imperialist.

They’re also more powerful than Russia and on their way to supplant the US.

It makes total sense to be worried that a powerful nation which under a government of the same ideology as governs it now has done so, will invade another far weaker and much smaller neighboring country which they’ve been consistently claiming to be “part of our nation” for decades.

What it doesn’t make sense is to blame China for something they haven’t actually done, only talked about.

Another possibility is the Economic supercycle which has a period of around a century, in which we are now at or near the low-point (basically the maximum inequality point when growth - not just Economic but actually as a progression of quality of life - is at a minimum whilst non-productive rentierism is at a maximum).

It makes sense that the people with the most power - which in Capitalism are the moneyed classes - at this point would be investing heavilly in political forces which blame outsider for the pain and loss of faith in the future that most people are feeling, in order to avoid being punished by the public for their misuse of power for maximum self-enrichement which is causing the hurt on everybody else.

This shit isn’t just Economic, but also Social and the elites managing the last part would explain all manner of things done in the last decade or two, from the rise of the Far-Right to increasing political corruption and authoritarianism (starting with widespread civil society surveillance, which is now increasing, as well as increasing cracking down on demonstration) in supposedly Democratic nations.

They’re an ethno-Fascist state (same type as the one of the NAZIs: Fascism but anchored of ethnic-superiority instead of on “mere” nationalism, hence far more dehumanizing of the “other” which translates into far more and more extreme violence against those they call “vermin”) so of course they love Fascists in general.

The main ideological difference between Zionist Israel and the last great ethno-Fascist country - NAZI Germany - is that the ethnic-group they see as “vermin” is Muslims rather than Jews and Roma, so those are who they want to push other Fascist groups to hate (which they already do up to a point thanks to decades of islamophobic racist propaganda from America, itself almost certainly influenced by Israel).

Most of Israel’s actions suddently make total sense if you look at them as a modern variant of NAZIs with different ubermenschen and untermenschen.

A Zionist state should never have happened.

American electing a president which supports a Zionist state should never have happened.

This aggressive war is one link ina much larger chain of things which should never have happened, as is the next link, the war crimes already commited by the aggressor states.

The exact same Principle applies to judging the Russian aggression against Ukraine, the American and Israeli aggression against Iran and the possible Chinese aggression against Taiwan.

The difference for the latter is that so far it has only been threats, hence only concern about the possibility of it happening is justified, whilst judging China for it is not justified.

Not saying that some (maybe even most) people knee-jerking “Taiwan” as soon as somebody says “China” aren’t being good little propaganda-driven muppets, rather I’m saying that some are not and their concern comes from personal principles around aggression and self-determination.

Interesting that you think that when a child mass murder supporter just orders others, if they don’t obey it’s “bad faith”.

That autocratic amoral mindset definitely explains your belief that people should just accept that no matter how evil the Democrat Party leadership becomes people have an obligation to vote for them, as well as your total inability to understand that others would not unquestioningly support leaders who would do evil to such an extent.

Morally, you’re the same as Trump, Putin, Xi and their supporters.

Your entire approach to what I wrote is a perfect example of Democrat Party “Dialectics is more important than human lives” thinking - dissembling, whataboutism, technicalities, distraction whilst not at all addressing the point much less be willing to improve things.

“The United States has been at war or in armed conflict for 229 out of 249 years since its founding” which is a lot of Democrat Presidents and Congress Majorities.

Amazingly, your own examples of “war criminals” - Putin AND Xi - together are responsible for way fewer children murdered than Joe Biden alone, with just him giving Israel 2000 pound bombs (which the US Military itself - even after Obama changed the definition of “enemy combatant” to be pretty much “any male” so that his dronings of weddings in Afghanistan didn’t look quite as murderous - refuses to use because their collateral damage is so massive) to use against targets in Gaza which is a urban environment, putting him ahead, just behind Netanyahu.

(Even fucking Putin whose who has been in power for decades is responsible for invading Ukraine hasn’t managed to get anywhere near that child body-count).

Biden actively supported a Genocidal state with weapons designed to inflict maximum civilian casualties to use in an urban environment. The only way to be more despicable than that would be to personally murder the children himself.

The last US President who wasn’t a child murdering war criminal was maybe Clinton and that was over 20 years ago.

Tribalist muppets like you who put party support above the lives of children are why the present day Democrat Party has so devolved from even a wealth-supporting neoliberal President like Clinton, that their last president was an active child mass murder supporter and the person the chose to field as a candidate replace him which was an child mass murder supporter herself.

That the Democrat Party leadership REFUSES to even move away from supporting child mass murder abroad even to attract votes from the Left in order to “Stop Trump” (as they so loudly claimed they wanted) says everything about their Morals and what’s genuinely important for them, and that you in your posts here doggedly support them in NOT MOVING AN INCH FROM SAID POSITION instead blaming millions of people for not voting for somebody who wants to help mass murder children, says everything that needs to be said about your own moral character.

The idea that the Democrat Party aren’t pro-Fascism abroad, is hilarious.

Good old, Obama was so cool with blowing up civilians that he go the criteria for “enemy combatant” changed to pretty much “any male” in order to keep claim that when weddings were blown up on his signed order, they were hitting “enemy combatants”.

Americans voting for the “other murderers” party makes very little difference for the kids in the Middle East they inevitably murder.

“Are we the baddies?”

Is the media talking about the Epstein files?

No?!

Looks like their Pedo War plan is working perfectly!

Discontent only turns into Revolution when enough people voice it and act on it, as they feed each other’s confidence in changing things eventually turning into a critical mass for change.

An external enemy that attacks for no reason, more so one which is so murderous and immoral that they would mass kill children, will make a lot of people not voice their discontent with the only structure capable of unifying them in defense against the external agreessor, much less act against it.

Then on top of that, that murderous foreign aggressor has actually voiced their the desire for said Revolution.

If before in Iran voicing opposition to the regime might actually inspire others to also voice their own discontent, now it will inspire others to attack that person for doing what that foreign aggressor wants.

So what before was growing into a critical mass for change amongst the general population has now been rolled back into what is most small groups of like-minded extremelly anti-regime individuals surrounded by a general population that sees them as working for a foreign aggressor which is so evil that they blew up a school full of children.

In that racist muck of how you expressed yourself one does find the bright jewel of a point that in the West (especially America, IMHO) there’s a overwhelming tendency to “blame the foreigners” in some way or other (be it “immigrants” or “foreign states”) for things which are first and foremost the fault of 100% local people, the 100% local system that puts them in power and the 100% local citizenry who went along with all of it for decades.

Specifically on what America is doing now, none of whatever Russian influence (much less, the far, far, vaster Israeli one) would at all work if the quality of the local politicians which people kept putting in power for decades (all the while going along with the stupidly obvious nationalist propaganda of how special America) wasn’t so abysmally bad.

Americans in general are first and foremost to blame for this shit, mainly for their cheerleading of a system which started flawed and got increasingly broken over time without them doing anything to fix it (when was the last time there was a General Strike in the US???!).