• nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    I think there’s a pretty good case to be made that NATO would be effectively dissolved if the United States attacked Greenland.

    the attack would likely be tolerated by the other NATO members, and so the agreement would no longer have meaning.

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    If we let Trump take Greenland, we may as well let hi take our kids now.

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    This was originally reported by Reuters as someone already said. We should add that The South China Morning Post is a Chinese state-controlled propaganda medium owned by Alibaba Group and based in Hong Kong.

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      I’m not disagreeing with you, but I hope you also point out in other threads that US media is an oligarch controlled propaganda medium serving the interests of oligarchs.

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      I changed the link to the Reuters article.

      But thanks for additional context regarding the other source.

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      Right?

      You have to wonder if leaders live in a parallel world, disconnected from ours.

      Do we need to explain to them that it’s over? Is it denial?

      It’s getting tiring watching these things happen, knowing what’s going to happen, have it happen then get ‘but we never anticipated this’. Yeah fuckin righto sunshine.

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      The US needs Greenland to defend it from Russia and China.

      Greenland is in NATO, allowing the US to defend it from Russia and China.

      mission_accomplished.jpg

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        Also the US already has a military base in Greenland and has for many decades. In fact, they used to have dozen or so during the Cold War. And because the area is apparently such vital importance to the defence of the US, they currently have… 150 soldiers stationed there.
        In the one base they have kept.

        Very, very important location. Vital for defence.

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          Are you suggesting that when the President says it’s vital for national security that he’s being less than truthful?

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              Yup, mostly rare earth metals, but in protected areas that require lots of permitting and small operations. That’s why the US wants in, with it’s industry standards of no standards for industries. Think of all the money his friends stand to make here guys, cmon.

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              Yes. Invasion is not necessary to extract them. Money is.

              In June, the US Export-Import Bank offered a $120 million loan to advance the development of the $290 million Tanbreez rare earth project in Southern Greenland. That same month, Denmark’s Export and Investment Fund (EIFO) increased its shareholding in Canada’s Amaroq Minerals, owner of a portfolio of critical minerals properties in Southern Greenland

              In January, GreenRoc Strategic Materials, a developer focused on graphite in Greenland, announced that EIFO had expressed an interest in providing funding for its Amitsoq graphite project in Southern Greenland. The Amitsoq project was subsequently designated as an EU strategic project, granting access to funding and support from EU Member States and financial institutions.

              Hammeken-Holm welcomed these developments, adding that foreign investment is critical for overcoming Greenland’s significant environmental and logistical challenges. SOURCE

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                Not just money, but jurisdiction. They have a huge range of options for building military bases with few permissions required, but a lot of that “cheddar” they would want to extract is under development restrictions.

                TL;DR - a legitimate democracy is in the way of oligarch profits once again

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      Yes, so it should be clear as day to anyone ordered to attack Greenland that they should refuse.

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      “As part of the Danish commonwealth, Greenland is a member of NATO and the defence of Greenland must therefore be through NATO,” the government said.

      They’re not saying that Greenland should be defended by NATO against the US, they’re saying Greenland should be defended by NATO as opposed to being occupied by and defended by only the US.

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    I don’t like NATO.

    However, Greenland doesn’t deserve an American occupation. So this would be a NATO intervention that I would support.

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      So you don’t like us, but you want us to fight and die for you ? How about fuck you, I’m taking care of my own.

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        you don’t like us

        Are you US American? It seems like you are equating NATO to the USA. Which makes about as much sense as saying that the Internet is American.

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          Umm actually it is an American invention just like peanut butter is. It is just nobody profits off of the protocols that make the internet work.

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        How about fuck you, I’m taking care of my own.

        I mean that’s cool too as NATO would fracture either way.

        So it’s a win-win for me, hate to see the Greenlanders suffer though.

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          hate to see the Greenlanders suffer though.

          I doubt that.

          edit: .ml, I should have known better, you are a waste of oxygen lol.

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            random insults

            I suppose you must be stressed out today, I can only hope your day becomes better.

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              Your first statement was “I don’t like NATO”. I think the person responding is assuming you’re a US citizen, and so a member of the only country to call the rest of NATO to its aid, despite being the most powerful.

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    NATO ain’t gonna do shit lmao. It was always a fake-ass fantasy designed to stop communism. That’s it.

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      Someone should tell Putin that NATO is fake so he can stop feeding people into the Ukrainian meat grinder.

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          A) Ukraine is not part of NATO.

          B) NATO countries are providing Ukraine with tons of military hardware, without which it is arguable whether Ukraine would have survived this long.

          C) The point is that Putin is using NATO as an excuse to go after Ukraine, since NATO is “threatening Russia” and Ukraine joining NATO would put a threatening force on Russia’s doorstep.

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            It’s not really an excuse, Ukraine joining NATO would be terrible for Russia. They’re doing what they gotta do for themselves. You’d know a thing or two about that as an American right?

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              Wait, you just said NATO was fake-ass and would do nothing. Why would Ukraine joining NATO be terrible for Russia if NATO is so fake-ass and worthless?

              Also, just because I’m an American doesn’t mean I believe in the things my government does. Trying to leave NATO and attacking random countries, like Trump is doing now, is not something I think is right.

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                  They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

                  Excerpt from Sartre.

                  Originally about anti-semites, fits fascists too. For some reason I thought about this when reading your comment chain.

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            I mean, Russia is pretty clearly winning this war, not that I care either way.