• dogslayeggs@lemmy.world
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    A) Ukraine is not part of NATO.

    B) NATO countries are providing Ukraine with tons of military hardware, without which it is arguable whether Ukraine would have survived this long.

    C) The point is that Putin is using NATO as an excuse to go after Ukraine, since NATO is “threatening Russia” and Ukraine joining NATO would put a threatening force on Russia’s doorstep.

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      It’s not really an excuse, Ukraine joining NATO would be terrible for Russia. They’re doing what they gotta do for themselves. You’d know a thing or two about that as an American right?

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        Wait, you just said NATO was fake-ass and would do nothing. Why would Ukraine joining NATO be terrible for Russia if NATO is so fake-ass and worthless?

        Also, just because I’m an American doesn’t mean I believe in the things my government does. Trying to leave NATO and attacking random countries, like Trump is doing now, is not something I think is right.

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            They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

            Excerpt from Sartre.

            Originally about anti-semites, fits fascists too. For some reason I thought about this when reading your comment chain.

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                The dissonance between supporting the fascist regime in Moscow and waving a Soviet flag is mind boggling. If Lenin could see what his purported followers are pushing, you could probably harness his interred rotational speed to supply most of Europe with energy.

                Fuck nazis. And other fascists incarnations. Like Russia, Zionism, and whatever is happening in the US right now. Fuck Ukrainian nazis too. But the existence of nazi groups in Ukraine does not justify the Russian invasions, even if Russian propagandists keep pushing that narrative.

                I look forward to Ukraine expelling the invaders, rooting out the rot, and joining the EU.

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                  7 hours ago

                  Excuse me? Where did I ever support Moscow? The Russia/Ukraine conflict is a bourgeois endeavour lmao. I hope the working class of both countries revolt and overthrow their governments. Being a liberal must be so confusing…