The Johnathon Ross Doctrine.
A lot of debate on this in Denmark. Not a shared opinion amongst the people or political parties. Law might be in place but it’s another thing to inact it. Denmark won’t stand a chance anyway.
Please shoot first. Let’s kick this thing off. For the record, I’m not for taking Greenland via force.
I just read that Rubio is coming to visit. They could prove their resolve by shooting him first.
I’m all for the sentiment. But embarrassing him would send a better message to the world stage.
Imagine Rubio lands and is greeted by a lei of green flowers.
That would really kick things off. Maybe they will shoot Little Marco in the face.
ICE-style
Maybe he’s trying to avoid the clutches of Greenland’s natural ice and oopsie 🍾
Good for them! If you have an armed military coming in to steal your land, you have no other choice but to fight to the death.
Trump wanted to start as many wars as possible as quickly as possible, and his regime is making sure it happens FAST.
Just adding: because he is a a MEGA PEDO WHO RAPED CHILDREN AND THIS IS ALL BECAUSE HE WANTS PEOPLE TO FORGET ABOUT THE EPSTIEN FILES
Thanks, I haven’t seen this repeated in the last 15 minutes, and it’s important to keep this front and center.
Also, not just Trump. All Conservatives are MAGA, and all MAGAS are PedoCons.
Those files for certain implicate much of the GQP establishment and Trump otherwise they’d have no trouble releasing it for the few liberals that are on there compared to them.
Even if they released everything they had, they would still quarantine anything that implicates Trump. We might still get something actionable, but it’s doubtful. Chain of custody is so compromised at this point, that nobody with a decent lawyer will get convicted in a real court. Court of public opinion will have to do.
OTOH, I’ve been seeing occasional articles on the OTHER Epstein investigation, the one following the many money trails. He had a LOT of money, and they still aren’t sure where it came from, or where it is, but they are looking for it. Its hard to dispute hard numbers, so they tend to be powerful evidence.
If people go to prison over their Epstein crimes, it will be about the money, not salacious photographs or emails.
Also because it’s far easier to justify suspending democratic processes by pointing at an ongoing military crisis and making emergency laws.
We’ve never cancelled an election, not even during the first Civil War, so we will NEVER accept any excuses for cancelling elections, not military actions, not civil unrest, not nothin’.
So please don’t even hint that there is a scenario that would be acceptable to suspend elections. That is a BRIGHT RED LINE that can NEVER be crossed. That violates our Constitutional/ Social Contract to a fatal degree, signalling the end of American Democracy, and the start of Civil War.
Just to point out what I’m talking about: https://lemmy.world/post/41255505
Let’s hope he doesn’t actually pull that off
Good. Let’s hope that conviction is never put to the test, but I wouldn’t put it past him to try.
Trump wanted to start as many wars as possible as quickly as possible, and his regime is making sure it happens FAST.
All while whining that he should get the Nobel Peace Prize. Did anyone ever explain to him that the Peace in the Peace Prize doesn’t stand for “Piece Of Ass” in the Epstein way?
He thought it was a piece of pie.
Only if it was one of those overpriced McDonalds pies.
I see a lot of right wing influencers arguing a kind of might makes right rhetoric. They say that the US should take Greenland simply because it can, and the US needs it. Which makes me wonder if I as a Dane am morally justified in gathering a few friends, breaking into these influencers homes, kicking them out, and just take up residence. After all, I need their houses, and my friends and I are stronger. Isn’t that so?
I suppose there is no moral obligation for me to obey American laws, if there is no moral obligation for America to obey international laws. If the US is justified in hostile takeover of a foreign democratic nation, then I see no reason why I, as a Danish citizen, should abide by US laws.
You’re descendants of Vikings. Go Viking.
Take their treasure while you’re at it.
Yesterday, I heard Magnus Carlson get called an insufferable viking. ‘Twas humorous.
I doubt the chess champion cares if he gets called a slur, but I know nothing, definitely nothing relevant. Godspeed
Be incredibly angry at Americans
Invade Quebec
Become very cold
Leave after about 80 years
Anyone who is talking about this should first realize that a NATO member is trying to get territory from another member just because they think it’s better for their geopolitical situation, this will break NATO as an alliance because then Greece and Turkey will take it as a greenlight to take action against the disputed territories between themselves. Which will cause the collapse of NATO and who knows what Non-NATO countries will try to do. This is not about MAGA bullshit it will cause a huge change and might even cause the WW3 to start instead of the proxy wars we’ve been seeing. I’m saying this a person who doesn’t like NATO.
It will not break NATO. Since it is a defensive pact.
If the US attacks Greenland, every NATO member will jump to the defense of Greenland because they are the country being invaded. That is how the pact is written. Doesn’t matter if the invading country is NATO themselves or not.
The only thing this will cause in NATO is that the US will be kicked out.
This is wishful thinking. This will brake NATO or they will just shrug and move on. Europe is still to reliant on the US as a protective force. Maybe this will help them see that the time in which the US cared for anybody but them self belong to the past. Right now to many EU countries are clinging to world order that died with Trump 2.
Well said, and it really puts it all into perspective. There are vast geopolitical consequences.
Has NATO really prevented anything between Türkiye and Greece?
I thought there were explicit exceptions for the defense agreement in case the conflict is between member states, precisely because of Türkiye and Greece.Edit: from what I can find, there is no explicit exceptions but it is generally understood that article 5 is only to be invoked for external aggression. No action was undertaken by NATO when Cyprus was invaded.
These morons would take us back to living in caves and knocking women over the head with clubs to claim their spouse if they had their druthers.
This juvenile “might makes right” perspective is so goddam infantile it’s almost laughable, if these weren’t the idiots with the guns.
A Dane invading and pillaging… I’ve heard this one before.
Do it. Embrace your Viking ancestry.
you are morally justified in using the method of your aggressor enemy against them, yes
Which makes me wonder if I as a Dane am morally justified in gathering a few friends, breaking into these influencers homes, kicking them out, and just take up residence.
The thing about Might Makes Right is that hypotheticals aren’t a signal of strength.
What would happen if you tried? You’d probably get in an altercation. People would be injured. The local police would be called to break it up. And nobody would care that you were trying to prove a rhetorical point.
I suppose there is no moral obligation for me to obey American laws, if there is no moral obligation for America to obey international laws.
To borrow a quip from Brandon Lee Mulligan
Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army. You know what I mean?
But in a hypothetical “might makes right”, cops aren’t ever safe either and don’t act with impunity of the courts and the consent of the governed. Police stop being police, and are just people with a slightly above average level of force in a mad max world.
If they thought the job sucked before with high rates of PTSD and suicide, just wait.
But in a hypothetical “might makes right”, cops aren’t ever safe either and don’t act with impunity of the courts and the consent of the governed.
Cops operate as armed gangs with staked out turf. They’re safe, broadly speaking, because they have a collectivist attitude towards their own defense. If you fuck with one cop, you are inevitably fucking with the entire department. And police departments - particularly in big cities - have enormous amounts of money, capital, and manpower to deploy against individuals and small groups in opposition.
If they thought the job sucked before with high rates of PTSD and suicide, just wait.
Not remotely high enough.
And the job doesn’t suck. It is highly coveted, both for the amazing pay/benefits - some of the best in the public sector and regularly well above the local median - and for the slew of “fringe” benefits that come from gang membership - prosecutorial immunity when engaged in drug/human trafficking, assault/battery/spousal abuse, vehicle crimes, intoxication, etc.
https://www.zippia.com/salaries/police-officer/
Entry level $38k average $52. Not exactly amazing pay. The coveted nature of the job is little dicks want power to abuse.
Edit: from https://www.cna.org/reports/2024/03/Law-Enforcement-Deaths-By-Suicide.pdf
Public safety personnel die by suicide at a higher rate than the general population. For example, Violanti et al. (2013) found that detectives and criminal investigators had a higher suicide rate than the general population, and Dixon (2021) found that rates of suicide among public safety personnel are higher than rates of death in the line of duty. Various job-related factors contribute to these tragedies in law enforcement officers, including repeated exposure to life-threatening situations, the strain of shift work on sleep patterns and relationships, ready access to firearms, prior military experience, and the demographic profile of law enforcement, which predominantly comprises White males, a group already at elevated risk of suicide (Dixon, 2021; Stanley et al., 2016; Violanti et al., 2013). In contrast, factors contributing to the suicide of correctional officers remain less clear, largely because of high turnover rates (Malik et al., 2023).
The job does suck.
Entry level $38k average $52.
NYPD pay is $60k starting and $125 after five years. That doesn’t include overtime or benefits. At 33k officers and counting, they’re the biggest department in the country. Base salary in Houston is $80k with Senior Officers earning as much as $140k.
Go more local and you’ll find the starting officer pay regularly outruns the median salary and benefits. The NYC median salary is $73k. Houston is $56k. You can find officers in smaller towns earning less. But they’re inevitably in a township with residents that are even poorer.
And, again, this is just baseline salary. Police Unions regularly secure 1.5x - 2x overtime pay compensation, resulting in some curious compensation figures
Houston senior police officer Matthew Davis’ annual salary was about $90,000 this past fiscal year. He made nearly $170,000 more in overtime.
It was not an anomaly. Davis has collected more in overtime than his base salary every year since at least 2020, and was previously disciplined for participating in an overtime scheme involving fabricated witness claims on traffic tickets. He is part of a growing pattern among the city’s highest-paid traffic enforcement officers who routinely collect overtime earnings that match or exceed their base salaries, a Houston Chronicle analysis found
Hardly the only department that’s been scandalized by this kind of misconduct.
The coveted nature of the job is little dicks want power to abuse.
Definitely one of the “fringe” benefits.
The job does suck.
Most jobs suck. Few include the number of perks afforded to entry level staff.
Oh look! Cherry picking. I didn’t know it was in season.
I think more cops should commit suicide to be honest.
Fire is cheaper. you could even alert them and make sure they get out ok. just sayin
Valid.
I see a lot of right wing influencers arguing a kind of might makes right rhetoric.
Always the case with fucking fascists.
While that is the case, I wonder how many in America actually approves of this given the proliferation of right wing bot accounts. I think that even if the US decides to invade Greenland, that might trigger a US civil war because, unlike Venezuela and Iraq where there are dictators which give plausible excuse to invade, Denmark and Greenland is clearly a democratic and peaceful country. A lot of Americans know this. Invading Venezuela did not even create a rally around the flag effect in favour of Trump admin as some might have expected, in order for Trump to artificially shore up his approval ratings. I certainly thought that more Americans might have gotten on board with Trump admin immediately, considering how they jumped the bandwagon to support the invasion of Iraq.
Press (x) for doubt, and the IS Base in Greenland, they can just take down the fence and say “all of your land belong to us”
Denmark’s Parliament on Wednesday approved a bill to allow U.S. military bases on Danish soil, a move that comes as President Donald Trump seeks to take control of the kingdom’s semi-autonomous territory of Greenland.
Yep! So if US comes, they will send in their F35, after having keyed in the mission parameters, that will go straight to a Lockheed server in the US to be uploaded in the jets, and with that they will take their ennemy by surprise!
Oh, shit! The jets were shot down! Weren’t they stealth??
Danes will have to order more, then…
Phones have got to be ringing off the hook at Saab sales offices right now.
I read the German Luftwaffe is interested in the SAAB Gripen. Fucking Rheinmetall and the German government should cancel the F-35 deal.
I heard the US could just remotely disable their equipments… 👀
Can’t tell for all of the equipment (from my understanding, they happily buy 100% US…), but for the F35, that’s not exact. It needs constant update, and from what I read, it is still usable for ~30 days after they would ban it from the network. But “usable” means back to pen and paper on board for missions…
Danes will have to order more, then…
Appreciating the spineless incompetence of the elected officials in our government, I suspect that they would bite the pillow and think happy thoughts while ordering replacements.
I doubt Denmark could fend off the U.S., especially since other NATO countries are likely just monitoring the situation rather than taking action.
The Nordics are pretty great at arctic warfare, just look at how well the Finns did. Pretty much all their gear are usable in arctic conditions and they train regularly for guerrilla warfare in extreme cold. The situation for the US is not the same. Most of their gear will not work in the winter in Greenland.
Im not saying they will win, i just mean that it’s more complex than having the larger gun.
However, the US are about to loose big in trade. Who the hell will want to buy American?
The Russians still fear the Finns. Every now and then they get a bit froggy, and the Finns just flip them the bird, and spit in their general direction, and the Russkies scurry on home.
However, the US are about to loose big in trade. Who the hell will want to buy American?
Australian’s. Yes, we’re arseholes.
There are multiple countries having dialogues to plan their actions.
This is no longer a situation where the US can simply walk in and take what it wants and getting a big payoff instead of facing consequences.
Allies will form. Even the worst segment of the US population doesn’t want WWIII, a civil war yes, but they don’t want their kids drafted to die over the annex of Greenland.
They might do a good enough job to not make it worth taking, though it’s a bit of a hard thing to judge when the invading force isn’t using logic
This is the only goal the Europe can aim for. Force the U.S. to take a step that they don’t want to, and that they will lose because of. They won’t lose militarily, but they could lose politically and economically in the long tern.
Absolutely. America is hugely reliant on the world economy, I just hope people commit to that and don’t just go with whatever America is saying.
These are the descendants of Vikings. Let’s settle it with a cage match between Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller, and a Viking of their choice.
No tapping out, hand-to-hand battle to the death.
Paul Reubens does not deserve that
The US has a military base in Greenland already. Pituffik Space Base doesn’t appear to be going anywhere, despite all the bluster.
And as the US is the military backbone of NATO, I’m not seeing how NATO as an institution would respond with the leadership structure and base management riddled with American personal.
At some point, NATO will have to acknowledge that America is NOT part of their alliance, at least not at this moment. If Russia were to attack Europe, or China were to take Taiwan, Trump wouldn’t do a thing about it.
If a real American ever gets into the White House, and not a corrupt traitor pedophile, maybe NATO will have us back, as long as we clean up our act and purge MAGA from our government and society.
If Russia were to attack Europe, or China were to take Taiwan, Trump wouldn’t do a thing about it.
Trump’s cabinet is stuffed to the brim with people who are crazy enough to fight a war with China. What they can’t handle is China not invading Taiwan and, instead, stacking up China-friendly political allies on the island until the Parliament tips their way.
Meanwhile, Russians are damned near out of gas. They barely have the manpower to control that eastern slice of Ukraine. If they launched attacks into the European mainland and provoked a real material response from a combined Western Europe, they would be in huge trouble. But, again, that was never really Putin’s intention. He’s been building up alliances with white nationalist parties all across the continent. By 2030, you’re going to have a swath of ultra-nationalists running every Parliament from the AfD in Germany to Reform UK.
And he’s going to be doing it in coordination with Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkiye, and India. Countries America bribed into a temporary alliance aren’t going to be there when the US economy goes into another recessionary tailspin. That’s what will really fuck NATO up.
And all this happening on the eve of a climate catastrophe, too.
FINALLY! Someone with some Critical Thinking Skills who gets what’s really happening. I’ve been arguing with people who think that Trump, Russia, and China are all acting totally independently. There is no possible way that they are carving up the world into three showers of influence, despite daily obvious evidence of it EVERY DAY.
And I can’t even start to worry about the climate right now. I’ve got zombies on my doorstep, demanding that I voluntarily offer myself up for enslavement, I can’t worry about what’s going on down the street right now.
Excellent post.
And I can’t even start to worry about the climate right now.
That’s a shame, because we are fucking in for it as the Colorado dries up in our winter heat wave. Nevermind what’s going to happen to Poland or Macedonia. I’d be worried what happens between Utah, Arizona, Nevada, and California during the next growing season.
Please tell me the soldiers there call it “Pity Fuck”
Does that include the US troops already stationed in Greenland?
I would believe if they would not surrender formally and act hostile then yes.
Seems like there’s already enough hostility to justify asking them to leave.
This stupid idea of those fucking MAGAts is what Putin likes to see how it would play out.
If it’s America, just shoot. No need for questions at this point.
We shot and thought it was self explanatory.
Other nations need to follow your lead.
Greenland is an important indicator for world climate health, don’t support any dangerous idea there pls. Try Choosing alternate methods.
don’t support any dangerous idea there pls
Dangerous idea like rolling over for fascists? Surely just one more illegal invasion and they’ll stop.
Try Choosing alternate methods.
Swords?
Spears, pikes, cavalry charges. It’ll be glorious. World went to shit eversince we stopped using pieces of metal to hit one another on the head.
That sounds like something you should take up with the Danish Ministry of Defense.
Or maybe Trump who is causing all this shit
I have far more faith in the Danish MoD, but I certainly admire your optimism
This is idiotic. Denmark gave US right to freely access it’s military bases. They signed new treaty in 2023 and further approved US military bases on their soil in 2025! How will they know US is invading them when US has legal right to access their military installations and can request the use private land in Denmark? They will shoot first and ask if they were Americans later?
What is idiotic is the bullshit that the paedo in chief is trying to pull.
It doesn’t matter what Denmark signed 3 years ago now that the other side is threatening an invasion.
Stop everything until either the orange child rapist is killed, dies, is forcibly ousted, or (lol) common sense prevails. Until then any us soldier or worker should be classed as a threat and any unnecessary us personnel should leave. The end.
If any us person in Greenland has to ask themself “am I necessary?”, then they aren’t. And should leave.
If the us population doesn’t like it then they should do something about the russian stooge they’ve enabled to be president (twice).They voted to permit US military bases on Danish soil in 2025, AFTER Trump started talking about taking over Greenland. So Trump made idiotic demand and they rolled over. Now they are trying to play tough. It’s just pathetic.
Stop everything until either the orange child rapist is killed, dies, is forcibly ousted, or (lol) common sense prevails. Until then any us soldier or worker should be classed as a threat and any unnecessary us personnel should leave. The end.
Yeah, they could unilaterally pull out of those treaties but they didn’t. Until they do talking about “shooting first” is just idiotic.
You’d be surprised to learn that Denmark is not really The Netherlands. What the unrelated country had done in 2025 likely has no relation to what Denmark is experiencing.
Fuck, Danish…
As my excuse, English is confusing and it’s not my first language. My point still applies to the whole EU though. They have huge leverage over US but are too divided and cowardly to use it.
It doesn’t matter. They’ve gone from “We might bully you” to “We have the right to take anything we want from any other country”
And as with any bully you should stand up to them and never back down. It matters fuck all about contracts and treaties and agreements.If my next door neighbour said in passing he was going to attack my house, then stated he had the right to attack me in my house you better believe that as soon as I see that neighbour coming anywhere near me then I’m attacking first.
If you want to cower behind ‘agreements’ then you can. See how that works out for you.If my next door neighbour said in passing he was going to attack my house, then stated he had the right to attack me in my house you better believe that as soon as I see that neighbour coming anywhere near me then I’m attacking first.
More appropriate analogy would be that you gave your neighbor a key to your home and now you’re saying that when he breaks into your home you will beat him up him but he can keep the key and can enter whenever he wants.
“Breaks in” is the important part. Since he has a key your statement is an empty threat but let’s you feel in control.
Again, it doesn’t matter.
I could carve a decree in stone that is witnessed by Satan himself that that any neighbour could break in to my house if they want to. It would still be shitty behaviour on their part if they did it, and they should not be shocked if I fight back.
Jesus fucking Christ.
They have to request the use of private land and obviously most of Greenland and Denmark is not a US military base.
But US can freely access their military bases. And US has their own military bases in Greenland. So who Greenland is going to shoot exactly? The airplanes flying to US bases in Greenland? The soldiers legally entering Danish military bases?
Also:
“When requested, the Danish Executive Agent shall make reasonable efforts to facilitate temporary access to and use of private land and facilities (including roads, ports, and airfields), and public land and facilities (including roads, ports, and airfields) that are not a part of an Agreed Facility and Area, including those owned or controlled by Denmark or by local authorities, by U.S. forces, U.S. contractors, and Danish contractors for use in support of U.S. forces. U.S. forces, U.S. contractors, or Danish contractors shall not bear the cost of such facilitation”
US can request access and Denmark has to facilitate it if possible. They can’t just deny it because they don’t feel like it. That’s the 2023 agreement.
“U.S. forces, U.S. contractors, Danish contractors, dependents, and others as mutually agreed are authorized unimpeded access to and use of Agreed Facilities and Areas for visits; training; exercises; maneuvers; transit; support and related activities; refueling of aircraft; bunkering of vessels; landing and recovery of aircraft; temporary maintenance of vehicles, vessels, and aircraft; accommodation of personnel; communications; staging and deploying of forces and materiel; pre-positioning of equipment, supplies, and materiel; security assistance and cooperation activities; joint and combined training activities; humanitarian and disaster relief activities; contingency operations; construction in support of mutually agreed activities”
agreements with the US don’t mean shit anymore, the US has shown that. everything is null.
So we should just declare all international laws null? Yeah, that’s a great idea.
It’s generally agreed across the entire world that if you enter a contract with someone and that person breaks the terms of said contract, you are no longer beholden to those terms.
Please show me the part of US-Denmark agreement that says US will stop saying that it should control Greenland. Because international agreement are based on written laws, not feelings.
no, all agreements with the US can be ignored, since the US has already decided and shown it will do whatever it wants regardless of existing agreements / laws
I assume these things are authorized or announced in some way. If paratroops start falling or landing craft are launched that’s a good indicator.
How will they know US is invading
Counterpoint. How will the US know they have taken Greenland. What will be different?
Resource and mineral rights.
The first sign will be that when Denmark pulls out of the treaties and tells US to leave they will just ignore them. This will show that Denmark doesn’t really control the territory. That’s why Denmark didn’t do it yet. As long as it’s just talk they can keep pretending they can somehow defend themselves.
What US can do to prove they actually have taken the territory is to stage some confrontation, for example start mining there without permission. Will Denmark shoot the miners? Will they send police? Military? What if US military defends the miners? Clearly Denmark will not “shoot first and ask questions later” in this situation but US can show they have effectively taken over.
In the end it really depends on what US want’s to achieve here. If they just want resources proving that they can access them at will would be enough,if they want to use if for military operation they just have to prove Denmark can’t kick them out, if they want to control their economy (which I doubt) they will have to kick out Danish administration and force citizens to pay taxes to IRS and if they want to humiliate EU they just have to change it on the maps and show that EU can’t do anything about it.
from what I understand, they also make it pretty easy for American companies to buy licenses to mine whatever they want from the ground
there is no good reason to occupy the country. it makes no sense
what if they didn’t want to buy the licenses? what if they just wanted to take everything?
what if the US is the new nazi germany and just needs lebensraum for a post-climate change world?
so many questions, who can say
The reason is to humiliate and subjugate Europe.
Remember who started everything!
I guess we gonna wait for the court in USA to stop Trump. No revolution, sit and watch.Obviously it was Denmark. Did you even see how it dressed Greenland? What did it expect?
Did you even see how it dressed Greenland?
…in ice?
Republicans are super into ice right now…
Some of them definitely seem like they’re on meth…coughcoughkashpatelcoughcough
Greenland was dressed in ice, the US is dressed in ICE
No revolution
Nobody wants to be the first one to stick their neck out.
Renee Nicole Good already did.
She got gunned down dropping her daughter off at daycare. She wasn’t doing a Leftist 9/11 on the police.
Really? I apologize then, I thought she was intentionally blocking them (which I 100% am in support of, to be clear). I bought the propaganda, I guess, weee :(. Thank you for the correction.
Edit to add: Did further reading and watched earlier video context, and yeah. She was literally waving the ICE cars ahead of herself as to not get in the way. She had nothing to do with the situation and they assumed by her mere presence that she was an agitator and not just someone in the wrong place at the wrong time. JFC.
The nail that sticks up, gets hammered down
They’re all going to get hammered down anyway.
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Can we suggest who you shoot first?
Rubio is paying a visit soon…
We should encourage him to take an entourage of high-ranking MAGAs, for the intimidation factor.
I said it right after Venezuela, it was a one time thing.
No country would fire first on America, because what’s the worst that could happen if they didn’t?
Now that ‘they abduct you and your family and take you to America’ is an option, countries are going to shoot first and risk war.
We’re going to see UN stuff move over to Europe as well, leaders aren’t going to want to risk setting foot here.
