• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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    This is idiotic. Denmark gave US right to freely access it’s military bases. They signed new treaty in 2023 and further approved US military bases on their soil in 2025! How will they know US is invading them when US has legal right to access their military installations and can request the use private land in Denmark? They will shoot first and ask if they were Americans later?

    souse: https://apnews.com/article/denmark-united-states-military-bases-greenland-749f68105ff6452ebfeb7ab2cbc282b7

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      What is idiotic is the bullshit that the paedo in chief is trying to pull.

      It doesn’t matter what Denmark signed 3 years ago now that the other side is threatening an invasion.

      Stop everything until either the orange child rapist is killed, dies, is forcibly ousted, or (lol) common sense prevails. Until then any us soldier or worker should be classed as a threat and any unnecessary us personnel should leave. The end.

      If any us person in Greenland has to ask themself “am I necessary?”, then they aren’t. And should leave.
      If the us population doesn’t like it then they should do something about the russian stooge they’ve enabled to be president (twice).

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        They voted to permit US military bases on Danish soil in 2025, AFTER Trump started talking about taking over Greenland. So Trump made idiotic demand and they rolled over. Now they are trying to play tough. It’s just pathetic.

        Stop everything until either the orange child rapist is killed, dies, is forcibly ousted, or (lol) common sense prevails. Until then any us soldier or worker should be classed as a threat and any unnecessary us personnel should leave. The end.

        Yeah, they could unilaterally pull out of those treaties but they didn’t. Until they do talking about “shooting first” is just idiotic.

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          You’d be surprised to learn that Denmark is not really The Netherlands. What the unrelated country had done in 2025 likely has no relation to what Denmark is experiencing.

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            Fuck, Danish…

            As my excuse, English is confusing and it’s not my first language. My point still applies to the whole EU though. They have huge leverage over US but are too divided and cowardly to use it.

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          It doesn’t matter. They’ve gone from “We might bully you” to “We have the right to take anything we want from any other country”
          And as with any bully you should stand up to them and never back down. It matters fuck all about contracts and treaties and agreements.

          If my next door neighbour said in passing he was going to attack my house, then stated he had the right to attack me in my house you better believe that as soon as I see that neighbour coming anywhere near me then I’m attacking first.
          If you want to cower behind ‘agreements’ then you can. See how that works out for you.

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            If my next door neighbour said in passing he was going to attack my house, then stated he had the right to attack me in my house you better believe that as soon as I see that neighbour coming anywhere near me then I’m attacking first.

            More appropriate analogy would be that you gave your neighbor a key to your home and now you’re saying that when he breaks into your home you will beat him up him but he can keep the key and can enter whenever he wants.

            “Breaks in” is the important part. Since he has a key your statement is an empty threat but let’s you feel in control.

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              Again, it doesn’t matter.
              I could carve a decree in stone that is witnessed by Satan himself that that any neighbour could break in to my house if they want to. It would still be shitty behaviour on their part if they did it, and they should not be shocked if I fight back.
              Jesus fucking Christ.

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      They have to request the use of private land and obviously most of Greenland and Denmark is not a US military base.

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        But US can freely access their military bases. And US has their own military bases in Greenland. So who Greenland is going to shoot exactly? The airplanes flying to US bases in Greenland? The soldiers legally entering Danish military bases?

        Also:

        “When requested, the Danish Executive Agent shall make reasonable efforts to facilitate temporary access to and use of private land and facilities (including roads, ports, and airfields), and public land and facilities (including roads, ports, and airfields) that are not a part of an Agreed Facility and Area, including those owned or controlled by Denmark or by local authorities, by U.S. forces, U.S. contractors, and Danish contractors for use in support of U.S. forces. U.S. forces, U.S. contractors, or Danish contractors shall not bear the cost of such facilitation”

        US can request access and Denmark has to facilitate it if possible. They can’t just deny it because they don’t feel like it. That’s the 2023 agreement.

        https://www.fmn.dk/globalassets/fmn/dokumenter/nyheder/2023/-us-denmark-dca-den-prime-english-20dec2023-.pdf

        “U.S. forces, U.S. contractors, Danish contractors, dependents, and others as mutually agreed are authorized unimpeded access to and use of Agreed Facilities and Areas for visits; training; exercises; maneuvers; transit; support and related activities; refueling of aircraft; bunkering of vessels; landing and recovery of aircraft; temporary maintenance of vehicles, vessels, and aircraft; accommodation of personnel; communications; staging and deploying of forces and materiel; pre-positioning of equipment, supplies, and materiel; security assistance and cooperation activities; joint and combined training activities; humanitarian and disaster relief activities; contingency operations; construction in support of mutually agreed activities”

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          agreements with the US don’t mean shit anymore, the US has shown that. everything is null.

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              It’s generally agreed across the entire world that if you enter a contract with someone and that person breaks the terms of said contract, you are no longer beholden to those terms.

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                Please show me the part of US-Denmark agreement that says US will stop saying that it should control Greenland. Because international agreement are based on written laws, not feelings.

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              no, all agreements with the US can be ignored, since the US has already decided and shown it will do whatever it wants regardless of existing agreements / laws

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          I assume these things are authorized or announced in some way. If paratroops start falling or landing craft are launched that’s a good indicator.

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      from what I understand, they also make it pretty easy for American companies to buy licenses to mine whatever they want from the ground

      there is no good reason to occupy the country. it makes no sense

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        what if they didn’t want to buy the licenses? what if they just wanted to take everything?

        what if the US is the new nazi germany and just needs lebensraum for a post-climate change world?

        so many questions, who can say

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        The first sign will be that when Denmark pulls out of the treaties and tells US to leave they will just ignore them. This will show that Denmark doesn’t really control the territory. That’s why Denmark didn’t do it yet. As long as it’s just talk they can keep pretending they can somehow defend themselves.

        What US can do to prove they actually have taken the territory is to stage some confrontation, for example start mining there without permission. Will Denmark shoot the miners? Will they send police? Military? What if US military defends the miners? Clearly Denmark will not “shoot first and ask questions later” in this situation but US can show they have effectively taken over.

        In the end it really depends on what US want’s to achieve here. If they just want resources proving that they can access them at will would be enough,if they want to use if for military operation they just have to prove Denmark can’t kick them out, if they want to control their economy (which I doubt) they will have to kick out Danish administration and force citizens to pay taxes to IRS and if they want to humiliate EU they just have to change it on the maps and show that EU can’t do anything about it.