Thoughts?

Is this imperialism by China, a country which is supposed to be left-wing? Leftists are normally anti-imperialism. Wouldn’t it be better to let Taiwan democratically decide whether they want to be part of China or not?

  • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world
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    7 minutes ago

    Yes, it is imperialism. Also, China has an authoritarian state controlled by a privileged ruling class and is therefore far-right.

  • adhd_traco@piefed.social
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    3 hours ago

    Alternative headline:

    China’s authoritarian leader Xi Jinping reiterates intent to subjugate neighboring country Taiwan in New Year’s Eve speech.

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    4 hours ago

    Lol calling China Leftist isn’t quite the thing. They are technically “communist” but no more so than the National Socialist German Workers’ Party was socialist.

    • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
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      China isn’t technically communist. The Communist Party of China is technically communist in ideology. They have implemented a type of a mixed state that has both socialist and capitalist parts, decently described by the term - socialist market economy. Or socialism with Chinese characteristics as it’s been called in the past. Why socialism? Because the socialist part controls the capitalist part of the economy. Why socialist? Because it’s controlled by the CPC/CCP which has over 100M members and growing, which means the wider society is decently represented within the party that controls the state.

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      4 hours ago

      They don’t care about damaging things now.

      Almost all of TSMC’s output is now powering US’ Stargate AI project. They also have their own fabs, they have equivalent to TSMC fabs (from stolen TSMC research) in larger numbers - the only reason we don’t see it flooding the market here in the west is that TSMC got injunctions against all the Chinese fabs selling 7nm and smaller chips.

      If TSMC is gone and Intel+Samsung can’t keep up, then those injunctions are going to disappear pretty quickly to keep the economy rolling.

      TSMC is no longer a card Taiwan holds, largely due to corporate greed.

      • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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        3 hours ago

        Except that was a peaceful process, not an invasion/annexation. Because part of Taiwan’s strategic defense policy is “we will melt our chip fabs to slag if the PRC invades”. Thus, they hold a gun to the head of pretty much all of the most advanced chip fabrication in the world, which most of the rest of the world has a vested interest in keeping working.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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          Except that was a peaceful process, not an invasion/annexation

          The only invasion I’m seeing is US Navy vessels encircling the island and threatening their economy.

          they hold a gun to the head of pretty much all of the most advanced chip fabrication in the world

          That’s been the American line for going on ten years. But the real gun has always been the Pacific Fleet, threatening to repeat the crimes of Vietnam on Chinese civilians, much like they did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and now Venezuela and Nigeria.

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            45 minutes ago

            The only invasion I’m seeing is US Navy vessels encircling the island and threatening their economy.

            Saying this on the same day that Chinese warships encircled Taiwan.

  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
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    Well, if the US gets tied up in Venezuela + a fickle leader + internal issues, the EU in Ukraine, Asian allies like Japan and Korea still figuring things out, then 2027-2030 does seem like the opportune time to invade.

    Perhaps Kim Jong Un, Iran, and/or Israel will take the opportunity to try something, too.

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    Taiwan is too strategically important to the United States and Taiwan two difficult an invasion target for this to happen.

    It’s just political posturing.

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        In this case, yes. The fabs there are far too important to let them slip control. Now, if we could just build some fabs in Ukraine.

    • tal@lemmy.today
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      two difficult an invasion target for this to happen.

      From what I’ve read, generally-speaking, the US expectation is that the US would win a conflict with China over Taiwan, but that the US would take serious naval losses in doing so.

      I suppose that China could have a different view of the matter, though.

      I think that a more-compelling argument is that if you, in fact, intend to invade Taiwan at any point in the remotely near future, you’re probably better off just invading it, not loudly announcing that you will do so at some unspecified point in the future and then sitting around while the potential invadee fortifies itself.

      • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
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        I think that a more-compelling argument is that if you, in fact, intend to invade Taiwan at any point in the remotely near future, you’re probably better off just invading it, not loudly announcing that you will do so at some unspecified point in the future and then sitting around while the potential invadee fortifies itself.

        💯

        I can see these announcements as placating domestic audiences and the military drills as discouraging the US from a potential intervention by signalling higher difficulty and losses.

    • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
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      Posturing plus demonstrating they can blockade Taiwan in case the US decides to send the cavalry.

      E: BTW the US and TSMC are continually working to diminish Taiwan’s stratrgic importance to the US by building fab capacity in the US.

      • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
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        Yup. The trends of rising standard of living in China plus the stagnation and self-destruction of the US are both pointing to closer ties between Taiwan and China over the long term - over the coming decades. Even today the majority in Taiwan prefers status quo and not independence. There’s pro-idependence and pro-unification minorities. Besides, I don’t think the Chinese want to deal with a separatist population and all the instability that causes, which would imevitaby follow if they annex by force.