On the other hand, risking life in jail for a criminal organization instead of creating a new non-criminal one is very intelligent!!!111
And shifting the debate from Gaza itself to some UK crime club for sure helps the people in Gaza!!!111 Very intelligent!!!111
(instead of just creating a new organization that does not do crime at all and won’t be forbidden)
Terrorism is when a group attempts to strike fear and terror into a populace to coerce them
The Wikipedia article mentions different definitions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.[1] The term is used in this regard primarily to refer to intentional violence during peacetime or in the context of war against non-combatants.[2] There are various different definitions of terrorism, with no universal agreement about it.[3][4][5] Different definitions of terrorism emphasize its randomness, its aim to instill fear, and its broader impact beyond its immediate victims.[1]
I mean, it may not match how you use that word, because you might think about bin Laden when hearing that word “terrorism”, but let’s see how the word is actually defined:
Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.[1] The term is used in this regard primarily to refer to intentional violence during peacetime or in the context of war against non-combatants.[2] There are various different definitions of terrorism, with no universal agreement about it.[3][4][5] Different definitions of terrorism emphasize its randomness, its aim to instill fear, and its broader impact beyond its immediate victims.[1]
Probably not, but is that even necessary? No, it is not.
Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.[1] The term is used in this regard primarily to refer to intentional violence during peacetime or in the context of war against non-combatants.[2] There are various different definitions of terrorism, with no universal agreement about it.[3][4][5] Different definitions of terrorism emphasize its randomness, its aim to instill fear, and its broader impact beyond its immediate victims.[1]
Well, that was one of their actions. I mean, it might be daily business for you… But for me, getting access to fighter jets, sabotaging them and doing whatever else they did there does not sound like usual activity that some other organization would do. I have never head of someone from an LGBT organization seen sabotaging fighter jets… During BLM, there was also no organization sabotaging fighter jets or anything remotely similar to it.
for any group that opposes the government.
Organizing a protest on the streets is the base form of “opposing”. Sabotaging stuff by breaking the law is for sure also “opposing”, but I don’t think, we should put that on the same level.
Thanks for your arguments without any insults.
I get your point, although from my view, it’s not a random organization that is just like any other, as the intensity of the crimes is… exceptional. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Action#Legal_actions
rancid bullshit
Great base for a dialog…
why do you imply that media attention in this case is bad
Did I?? I said “I get it” above… I just spoke out what others here don’t want to speak out… I guess, people will be surprised again, when Greta will successfully fail to enter Gaza the next time (according to plan).
you support an org that spray painted a few jets
Read the Wikipedia article… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Action
BTW: Jets don’t park at the side of the road… You usually need to break into military related areas to do so, which is not what average people do.
I guess they’ve successfully removed all meaning from the word “terrorist” now.
And we have successfully replaced the debate about people starving in Gaza with a debate about a British group that continuously breaks the law.
I kind of get what you are writing, but why are people focussing on the group that obviously broke the law (the law there sees it as terrorism) - and not just one time, but multiple times, the Wikipedia article is not short… - instead of the actual goal?
Why not forgetting the criminal (if you don’t want to call is terroristic) group, creating a new group that does not commit crime and protest for the actual thing???
Well, the one sentence supports people starving and the other one supports an organization classified as terroristic in the UK… It’s not the same thing…
When I write “Europe colonizing America in = bad” and I just append the word “fakenews” or “lies”, it changes the meaning…
anyone who thinks that illegally trying to stop a weapons shipment is terrorism
I mean… The law of the UK defines what falls under terrorism. It does not matter what anyone thinks.
If a pro-Russian saboteur sabotages a weapon shipment to Ukraine, it will fall under the term, too.
If “using force to achieve a political goal” is terrorism, then nearly every country on the planet is a terrorist organization.
The term is usually not used to describe nations. It’s to describe people or groups of people.
The wikipedia article goes into the details.
In May 2024, Edinburgh Palestine Action activists targeted a Leonardo factory in Crewe Toll, spraying red paint over the factory and fighter-jet models, as well as claiming to have sabotaged “internet cables”, with a spokesperson for the group saying, “In the early hours of Tuesday 28th May [2024], a group opened the box of cables, cut the internet wires, sprayed expanding foam inside the box and spray painted ‘Stop Arming Israel’ on the lid.” The action was carried out, against Leonardo, according to PA Scotland, for “continuing to arm the Israeli military with weapons”. In January of the same year several activists occupied the roof of the same factory.[48]
Also:
The UK Ministry of Defence, and a defence expert,[68] said the particular aircraft spray-painted hadn’t refuelled or supported Israeli air force jets.[69] The BBC reported that those two particular jets had not been used to support the Israeli air force, although they had been used in British air attacks in Yemen, Iraq and Syria.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_Action#Legal_actions
Or: I arrested a person who thought that it’s more important to write “I support Palestine action” (classified as terroristic organization in UK) on a paper than “I support Palestine”.
IMO, these people want to produce these pictures of arrests we are now seeing…
But I get it… It gets them media attention, just like driving with boats to a war zone to obviously get stopped there by military.
I dunno… It feels kind of intended…
“I support Palestine Action”
Just leave the word “action” away… Now, it’s not “supporting an organisation classified as terroristic” anymore.
With that logic, we can not talk about Mexico, Sweden, Finland and Kazakhstan. I don’t know anyone from their governments and I don’t care about their names at all… “Genocidal mentality”, I guess…
Good that you know all of their names!!!111 A win for humanity!!!111
What exactly is the point?
I can name you only 2 people from the Israel government. Does that mean that there are only 2? No…
Why are the names relevant? When there is a new hostage deal, there will be armed Hamas people with face masks forcing the hostages on a stage… Ask those Hamas guys what their names are… To be honest: I don’t care about their names at all. Them doing what they are doing clearly shows who’s in power.
We all know that Hamas did not want any fair elections. I mean… Read this…
After Hamas’s June 2007 takeover, it ousted Fatah-linked officials from positions of power and authority (such as government positions, security services, universities, newspapers, etc.) and strove to enforce law by progressively removing guns from the hands of peripheral militias, clans, and criminal groups, and gaining control of supply tunnels. According to Amnesty International, under Hamas rule, newspapers were closed down and journalists were harassed.[191] Fatah demonstrations were forbidden or suppressed, as in the case of a large demonstration on the anniversary of Yasser Arafat’s death, which resulted in the deaths of seven people, after protesters hurled stones at Hamas security forces.[192]
(from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip#Hamas_government)
Can you? How can a party hold power if all of its leadership have been executed?
Why exactly can a dead person in power not be replaced with a living one?
I don’t exactly understand the question. Hamas is the de facto government since 2007.
If you want to, we can use a different word like “leaders” or “rulers” or “dictators” or “those in power”, if the word “government” does fit…
Or do you want to question whether Hamas still holds the power in Gaza?
Wow, advocating suicide at least twice in 14 days according to your modlog… You seem to suffer from some kind of learn resistance, too.
If you’re baited into opposing “Hamas”
I kind of got baited into opposing Hamas by… Let me check… Ahm… by Hamas!
That does not mean that I’m not also opposing Netanyahu and his far right assholes.
Both sides have terrible governments.
Wrong country, I guess… Trump would have given a huge tip for that.