Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,” declare G7 leaders in a joint statement.
The leaders of the G7 countries on Monday issued a joint statement saying Iran should not have nuclear weapons and affirming Israel’s right to defend itself.
“Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror. We have been consistently clear that Iran can never have a nuclear weapon,” declared the statement, issued by the leaders of the U.S., U.K., France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan, along with the EU.
They pledged to “remain vigilant to the implications for international energy markets and stand ready to coordinate, including with like-minded partners, to safeguard market stability.”
Israel is the principal source of regional instability and terror and everyone and his dog knows this.
The kowtowing to Trump and his Zionist sponsors by the client states of the US Empire is an insult to objective reality.
Please don’t make Iran out to be some sort of victim in all this. What Israel is doing is wrong, but Iran has funded a lot of terrorists throughout the years, and execute people in medival ways for holding hands with the “wrong” person.
The iranian government is pure fucking evil and deserves to die horrible deaths for what they instigate and fund around the world and in their local area.
It’s a deep sarcasm that Western oil companies destabilized the Iranian monarchy, that * shockingly* wanted a piece of the pie in such a way it paved the way for islamist extremists to gain power.
Ian used to be pretty liberal and western minded, however westen meddling caused this extreme government.
But God forbid they get the means to (to use the Israeli turn off phrase) ‘defend’ itself, that would be horrendous.
Yes, yes, we all know Iran used to be liberal a very long time ago.
That ship has sailed, and the current regime isn’t great, to say the very least.
Nuclear bombs would not be used to defend Iran. They would be used to defend Khamenei. In the same way that nukes are for defending that shit stain in Israel and not Israel.
Ik no fan of the current regime, I think both Israel and Iran would benefit from a regime change. There’s nothing more moral on the Israeli side to explain them deserving nukes over anyone in that region.
But the hypocrisy is that the Western world directly caused this shit.
Iran is still more liberal than any western country that supports Israel.
This is Western imperial propaganda to obfuscate the fundamentally anti colonial nature of Hamas and Hezbollah by labelling them as Islamic terrorists.
The real islamic extremists like Al Qaeda and ISIS were in fact sponsored by the CIA.
I’m so sick of Americans with no clue about the region coming up with Hasbara inserted talking points about Iran. As someone who.lived through the lies on Iraq’s WMDs , which was also cheered by Netanyahu, it is depressing deja vu.
What evidence do you have that presents hezbollah and hamas as being anti-imperialist?
The evidence is that Israel is a settler colony established and supported by the Western colonial powers.
I’m not sure you understood the question
The fact that their whole existence has been fighting against imperialism
The Iranian government is strictly less evil than every government that has supported Israels genocide, which is basically all of the West, including, for example, Ukraine. Are you going to b say “please don’t make Ukraine out as some victim in all this, they’re pure evil and deserve to die horrible deaths”? Will you say that the EU governments do for what they instigate and fund around the world?
Or are you just a white supremacist?
Ok, which country is actively committing genocide?
So let me get this straight. Because one of the countries in this war is comitting genocide, the other country MUST be a victim of the war? Was the Soviet Union a victim when Germany attacked them?
No. Israel is committing genocide. We all fucking know this, no need to point it out. Iran is a theorcratic rule that tortures people for holding hands with the wrong sex. They regard women as household items. Iran is not a fucking victim. The iranian government needs to fucking suffer violently, preferably by the hands of their own people, but Israel will do.
Was the Soviet Union a victim when Germany attacked them?
…Really? That’s the comparison you’re gonna go with?
Yes. Were they?
Is that what I said?
Yes. You asked who is comitting genocide in an attempt to shut me up, because you thought the side that commits genocide must inherently be the bad person in any situation. Seen in the context that I said not to frame Iran as a victim, this attempt to contradict me must mean you think Iran IS the victim here. They aren’t. Now pack up your bullshit attempt to backtrack, and try to argue like an adult.
Resistance groups that commit some terrorism and no terrorist groups
And not only that, Israel has nuclear weapons.
…and it’s supposed to be a secret because God forbid having to comply with international treaties on nukes. Well it’s not like they respect international law anyway right? But the ones on nukes they just bypass and no one bats an eye
Two things (countries) can be bad at the same time
Sounds like something a tankie would say about Ukraine and Russia
I believe ALL of the following;
- Iran should not have nuclear weapons
- Israel should not have nuclear weapons
- Iran should not weaponize Palestinian suffering or coax them into attacking Israel while Iran itself sees little repercussions
- Israel should not genocide
- Israel has committed genocide and should pay a hefty price
- Neither Iran nor Israel will really answer for their fuckery
- Palestinians will remain fucked…if they survive.
My heart breaks for the Palestinian people who suffer and die for others’ greed, ambition, and political squabbles.
Exactly. This is not a competition, we don’t have to cheer for either side. Horrible things are happening
My exact thoughts
Damn, that’s the most reasonable take I’ve heard all year. Kudos
I’d add:
- Hamas needs to deleted from the face of earth
And all that basically describes the opinion of 90% of the population just that vocal minorities are very vocal.
90 percent of the western population. The rest of the world is more sympathetic to the militant struggle against imperial genocide.
This is the nature of modern day proxy conflicts. Both actors can continue easily but the “battlefield” like Gaza and South Lebanon are the ones that lose.
Well that’s a nice enough list in a vacuum, but what does that actually mean she the real world? Israel already has nukes, Iran won’t survive without them, Palestinians are going to fight back against the fascists trying to exterminate them - with or without Irans prompting - and sympathetic countries like Iran are going to try and aid that struggle.
Iran is answering for their fuckery
I agree with all of your past tense takes. The future remains to be determined. We might all be flattened at this rate.
nobody should have nuclear weapons.
Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like if the scientists working on the Manhattan project had all agreed it’s too much and intentionally sabotage every test.
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Germany was miles off, they lost the war before the first bomb was dropped, 7th May vs. 6th August. Its impossible for them to be both behind the Allied effort to make a nuclear bomb (so would have not been read to drop one until after 6th August) and still make one after they surrendered.
The Allies very much lied to the scientists about how far along the Germans were to guilt them into making one against objections raised at the time.
Now if those defecting Nazis who joined NASA and the like post war would have instead been used to replace objecting Allied scientists in the nuclear program, thats a real possibility.
There’s no real way of knowing what would have happened, but knowledge is eventually gained. Somebody would have developed nukes even if it tool a lot longer and we’d end up being in a similar situation eventually.
Knowledge is eventually gained, someone would have built practical devices relating to nuclear fission, whether that was a bomb or a reactor.
Nazi Germany would not have done that in any time frame relevant to WWII. They specifically rejected aspects of atomic/quantum theory because they were tainted by “jewish science” which unknowingly set them back decades and sent them in the wrong direction. As much as they were obsessed with super weapons, they were very unscientific in their R&D.
They specifically rejected aspects of atomic/quantum theory because they were tainted by “jewish science” which unknowingly set them back decades and sent them in the wrong direction.
This shit sounds so familiar…
Germany pretty concretely abandoned their ambitions for an atomic bomb towards the end of the war. If I remember correctly they came to the (incorrect) conclusion that the amount of uranium they would need is completely unfeasible
Makes you wonder if their scientists did it.
“Ah guys it would have been such a powerful weapon to demonstrate Arian supremacy! It really sucks that it’s impossible :(”
Maybe, but it also might be that that they’d already made sworn enemies of basically the entire scientific community, so they didn’t have much talent to draw from
Well, it didn’t exactly help that something like half of the most significant nuclear physicists of the era were, uh… yknow… disinvited from the country.
either that, or nukes would be used first in korean war instead. imo it’s a good thing that nukes were first used against the most cartoonishly evil fascist state imaginable at that point
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Yeah, who else. Nuking Dresden at that point would be useless
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The Japanese at the time were, at the least, very close in terms of evilness. What with the crazy human experiments, execution of prisoners, and everything they did to the Chinese.
This obviously does not reflect on modern day Japan.
They kind of both maxed out the scale
The Germans were literally defeated before the bomb was finished! Jesus Christ, how bad is education these days.
Well, the Germans wouldn’t have because they got defeated long before the Manhattan Project produced a usable weapon. Their own attempt at it failed. Some suspect that Heisenberg actually did sabotage the German project, though it’s also possible that he was just bad at it.
But the Soviet Union would have done it later on. Or any of a variety of other countries that probably shouldn’t be the first or only countries to have nuclear weapons. Science is not unique to the discoverer, other people can independently discover the same things.
This illustrates exactly why we, as a species, are fucking doomed. If some on can do something that gives them a competitive edge, then someone will do it. Those who opt out are left behind.
It’s why we can’t stop fossil fuels. Whoever stops using them will be at a competitive disadvantage. It’s why we can’t just leave AI on the shelf.
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Well then we wouldn’t have nuclear power either
The first nuclear reactor was in 1942.
Well sure but if you can make a nuclear reactor you can make a nuclear bomb
It would have been discovered later on, perhaps by another power first.
We would still have all the atrocities that happened after Hiroshima and Nagasaki but people in the West would not suffer the anxiety that they could be possibly get hurt as well.
“We will do anything to maintain the status quo, up to and including genocidal ethnosupremacy”!
I am honestly so revolted.
I’m curious to see what Iran would have become in the next 5 years had this shit not occurred. It had the potential of becoming another regime or possibly a democracy again. Hard to say where it was going.
Well, that’s been the litemotiv of the last century on the area, support a slightly less evil genocidal asshole against another genocidal asshole.
What status quo? They are complicit
The status quo is Western dominance and power projection.
Not exactly. West didn’t care too much about other non-western countries having nukes. Two nations who have nukes borderline almost started a war in Asia (Pakistan and India). Iran is a special case, just like North Korea is. Unlike others, the two I mentioned have essentially declared themselves as the enemies of the west, so naturally west wants to keep them away from such destructive weapons
EDIT: Third one would be Russia, but there was already conflicts and a long standoff. The Russia has made it clear they can invade everyone but no one can invade them. Coincidentally, same could be said for USA.
Just my two cents, from some philosophing east european slav here.
China, India, and Pakistan once again proving that having nukes does actually matter because you can’t be arbitrarily shoved around around by the only other nuclear powers.
it also helps if your air defense network doesn’t collapse immediately because it turns out that in order to guard these nukes you need also regular capable conventional military
Why? If the West will allow Israel to live stream a genocide and both political parties in the US stick their fingers in their ears and make sounds like children, Iran has no choice but to pursue a nuke to defend itself.
I would have worded this differently, but you’re right in that it’s probably a good idea not to give anyone an extra excuse.
“Oh but we had to” isn’t a great excuse, but it is one, and if you take away the threat, it takes it away that argument.
Literally nobody would care to mess with Iran if they hadn’t been funding radical militias all over the middle east.
One could say the same for my country the US
And they would be right about that.
So if they didn’t oppose US interests the US wouldn’t hate them? I wonder how that works.
“Radical militias” you mean groups that opposed Zionist colonialsm. If Israel didn’t exist these militias wouldn’t either.
This is Western imperial propaganda to obfuscate the fundamentally anti colonial nature of Hamas and Hezbollah by labelling them as Islamic terrorists.
The real islamic extremists like Al Qaeda and ISIS were in fact sponsored by the CIA.
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Iran was being fucked with long long before the first militia was funded
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Ukraine had nukes and gave them up. They were invaded.
Iraq gave up their WMD program after the first Gulf War. They were invaded again.
Iran definitely had a nuclear program, but doesn’t appear to be pursuing it anymore. They’re getting attacked and quite possibly will get invaded.
South Africa had a nuclear program and gave it up. Left alone.
The Great Powers, particularly the United States but also Russia, have shown that your country should just keep going once you start. Chances are, you’ll get invaded, anyway.
This is not the way towards anti-proliferation.
Hell, even if you don’t. Gaddafi made a big show of “giving up” weapons that he didn’t even really have, and he still got raped to death with a bayonet.
South Africa had a nuclear program and gave it up. Left alone.
How do nukes help South Africa? They don’t have rockets. What do they threaten to bomb that is a deterrent?
Nukes can be dropped from planes too.
Tactical nukes can stop just about any invasion.
“Iran is two weeks away from nuclear capability” - Netanyahu: 2012, 2015, 2018, 2023, 2025
He started a lot earlier than 2012
Jesus fucking Christ. Fuck all of these assholes.
But genocide against Palestinians is a-OK.
What does the “G” in G7 stand for? Gaslighting? Genocide? Grift? Maybe there are 7 Gs.
Iran will have nukes. They don’t have a choice. Not anymore. It’s existentialism at this point. Israel has been trying to engineer a war against Iran for more than 30 years. All the while Iran has played along. IAEA inspectors and all that good shit. And it was all for nothing. Iran knows that now. So does everyone else.
If you’re an adversary to the US and its Imperial interests then its a matter of when, not if. Doesn’t matter if or how closely you follow their rules. They will come for you in time.
They’re out of time. US B52s and B2s will obliterate what’s left of their nuclear facilities. F35s and drones will do the rest. For all the Zionist propaganda, there’s absolutely no evidence Iran wanted to weaponise Uranium and every evidence that they wanted to cooperate with the West in return for sanctions relief, as they did in 2015 with the JCPOA.
The question is can Iran make it painful enough for the US by causing chaos in the straits of Hormuz and damaging oil and gas infrastructure that Trump loses interest and declares victory before he imposes regime change, which is what Netanyahu really wants.
TACO TACO :)
Lol
Why not? The claims made by G7 members as to why are admissions - heck, one of the members has used nuclear weapons on civilians, and they’re still allowed to have them.
If anyone can, everyone can.
Iran is the principal source of regional instability and terror.
Ok does someone want to catch me up on this opinion shared by world leaders but quite literally no one else?
Like yes, Iran is a terrible authoritarian state that is very dangerous. But so is Saudi Arabia?!
Well you see the existence of Iran forces Israel to bomb them, thus destabilizing the region. If Iran would simply stop existing, Israel wouldn’t have to bomb them, and the region would be stable
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Literally no? Where did you get that from? There is no country (other than the US, 80 years ago) who have made it clear they want to use one
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I left Korea recently after living there for 3 years. Idk what Fox News and CNN have going on, but no, North Korea is not threatening to nuke anyone. They use nukes as a “don’t invade me”, same as every other country
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이 답은 좀 답답해… 난 대한민국에서 살았고 친구들이 군대 갔어 근데 너는 이유 없이 나의 말을 무시해.
Why even bother reading things written by individual people who have experience in the region if you’re going to dismiss what they share?
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Shutup vaush.
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They have done the exact opposite
Iran is literally funding all terrorist organizations in the region and even beyond that directly support Ruzies 🙄
Whatever reason you give its not exclusive to iran, furthermore trying to defend actions of israel against iranian people is just golden
Here’s the short version (yes, this is incomplete because even writing this is a small essay. If somebody feels like adding context please do so), to answer your question on the background to their statement & position. The position is fairly common outside Lemmy at least.
History, history, history… (very long story)
2022: Israel was working on normalizing relations with the Arab countries. Things are relatively peaceful in the ME, albeit pretty shit for Arabs in Gaza & WB, not a warzone though. This succeeding would have been a threat to the Iranian network of terrorist organizations (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, groups in Syria such as the IRGC).
Iran pushes forth October 7 to reignite tensions, training Hamas operatives & such.
Hamas attacks Israel on Oct. 7 kicking off the war - other Iranian proxy groups soon join in. Initially there is no direct conflict between Israel & Iran.
2024 april - IDF strikes the Iranian consulate in Syria to take senior officers in the Hezbollah chain of command and assassinates several others. Iran retaliates with missiles against with strikes against Israel proper.
After that, tit for tat strikes in increasing magnitude and escalations which have culminated in the current situation. No, it was not surprising, this conflict was always fundamentally between Israel & Iran and has been slowly escalating for a long time.
History, history, history… (very long story)
Starts in 2022
My dude…
Iran pushes forth October 7 to reignite tensions, training Hamas operatives & such.
I love unfounded conspiracy theories
"Tehran “is the principal source of regional instability and terror,”
I guess we all just have to pretend Israel doesn’t exist?
Religious zealots can’t be allowed to have nukes. You have to at least masquerade as a well-adjusted nation while you develop the nukes and slowly massage your zealots into positions of power over a few decades. Those are the rules.
