The Iranian Army’s air defense system shot down another US F-15 fighter jet as part of Iran’s response to the Zionist-American aggression.
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No location, no reference to the “other” shoot downs. Feels like someone’s twitter account level of journalism
One of the few uncensored news agencies. It is an IRGC claim. There are specific IRGC claims about important targets in Israel, that Israel could rebut by showing intact airports and nuclear plants, but even though there are significant missile hits in Israel, they show a scattering of supposed civilian damage. If relying on western news, you would have thought Ukraine was winning all along.
Denials may be made independent of truth.
“Another” is misleading. If this is the fourth shootdown, it would be the first that Iran actually achieved, as the first three were blue-on-blue (Kuwait shot them down in error)
Do you also believe that two jets “fell” off the carrier deck of the USS Harry Truman last year?
Maybe. Although the US government lying about literally everything is standard operating procedure so we cant be sure either way. Getting our news from a magic 8 ball toy would be more accurate than US government statements.
I heard someone suggest they are claiming friendly fire on the first ones to lessen the embarrassment of being taken out by the enemy. So that’s just conjecture.
Anyone think that is plausible? They said back during recent conflicts the US would do similar things to save face.
If that were the case, Iran would have claimed the air kills which afaik they haven’t.
Iran did claim to shoot down an F-35 last year which was an obvious lie, so I wouldn’t really put too much weight on this claim.
That being said, an F-15 is more plausible of a target against some hidden SAMs. Even Iraq shot down a prrtty decent handful of aircraft during the gulf war, despite losing their airforce in a matter of hours just because they had a crap ton of SAMs on the ground.
It’s possible, though I don’t think it’s likely.
Generally speaking, USAF doctrine heavily emphasizes SEAD (Supression of Enemy Air Defenses) deploying in concert and close coordination with any sort of non-stealthy strike mission, in the interest of minimizing the risk of combat losses - and by all accounts, the USAF is very fucking good at SEAD (having developed the concept - also known as “Wild Weasel” sorties - back in the Vietnam War, after USN and USAF began taking significant losses to Soviet/Vietnamese SAMs, and refining it a lot since, both in terms of tech and doctrine).
For strike planes to be caught flat-footed like that, I would expect that they were out of range of any possible Iranian SAMs, and thus were not in the mindset of constant vigilance, and moreover their SEAD support was probably not either (or had split off to land at another base altogether).
Also: if the shootdown was from a Patriot, their RWR (basically: “what radar is looking at me”) was probably saying it was a friendly radar, and the pilots may have even thought the Patriot (or similar non-Russian system) was giving them cover from something they didn’t see, and they reacted late as a result.
Thus, I do think that the blue-on-blue explanation is likely accurate - especially considering it was three F-15Es, and not just a single one-off shoot down. IMO, someone (not Iranian) was running air defense in the area and didn’t properly check their deconfliction and IFF.
Thanks for the reply. With this administration, its easy to assume the truth about anything is being bent.
Especially if it went anywhere near Hegseth’s desk on the way.
I could easily see there having been an order to not share flight plans with our allies.
Stupid, but entirely possible given curcumstances.
Kuwaiti army may not have approved of F15 sorties. Bases were supposedly evacuated and not to be used for military operations, so another explanation, is the memo to the contrary not getting to everyone needed.
Since the claim originates from an Iranian news agency and there are currently no photos of wreckage, I would wait for additional confirmation, but the publisher of the news is Yemeni (they are allied with Iran) so they would likely not wait.
This is certainly possible, everything that flies can be shot down and F-15 is not the hardest of them, as some guy in Kuwait accidentally proved when dots on his radar got too confusing.
There’s an old saying in Tennessee…
How much do those cost again? And we still can’t give medical care?
About $31 million each, or $65 million adjusted for inflation.
Although, we don’t make them anymore and the replacement F-15EX models are closer to $95 million.
That’s 6 Tylenol in a US hospital
And thats before inflation is accounted for
Ten dollars?
4 lost fighter jets now. What a shishow.
We know where all of them are. Some just need repairs. Losses: zero.
/s
Upgraded to scrap metal
Can we add on the ones that are visiting Poseidon while we are at it?
First F-15: “it was friendly fire”. Second F-15: “shoots down another F-15”.
Great title, BTW: it shows again that ‘US’ is somewhere it definitely shouldn’t be.
We cannot even take care of our own citizens, we should not be wasting money on senseless aggression across the globe.
It’s a lot of work to distract people from the president raping children.
It’s not just to distract from the president raping children, it’s also because Israel has the pictures and videos of the president raping children
we should not be wasting money
Every time I hear someone complain about how much money this is costing, I picture that bloody backpack from the girl’s school we bombed.
The American value of human life must be net-negative at this point.
It its any small comfort the US government doesnt value American citizens lives either.
EPA already accounts as the value of Americans life as 0, it’s understandable that the military accounts for non Americans as negative value
So much for the undefeated fighter
Afaik it hasn’t been downed by another aircraft. I think that’s where the moniker comes from.
Stories from Veitnam veterans about how this number gets “fixed” by reporting downs as ground to air in order to perpetuate the notion of air superiority.
Not saying that is the case here, but take the US story with a grain of salt.
Yeah I can certainly see them fudging the numbers.
I mean 3 downs in a single day due to “friendly fire” is already suspect enough. Now that the number is growing it’s hard to chalk that up to pure incompetence.
True, but that Kuwaiti F-18 got 60% of the way to ace, and that was friendly fire
Easier to fox 2 when the frienemy isn’t expecting a sidewinder up the exhaust haha!
