How are we supposed to know? You said all messaging was propaganda. So we have two names on a page. That’s it. And yes, people not voting are just trying to be left alone.

You’re advocating for violence against people who just want to go to work, have a beer on Friday, and feed their kids.

So now not only do we have to vote, we also have to guess which one is the correct one with no communication.

And you say there’s not a transitive power here but you keep describing a transitive power. Oh and you’ve called for violence against people who just want to be left alone.

You’re really racking up the motivations for voting.

Oh I don’t like Nazis either. But his political campaign isn’t built on Hitler’s. It’s a pretty stock modern campaign that had better messaging than the Democrats. And before you accuse me of liking his messaging, he won the election. So it was better messaging.

Calling everyone who doesn’t vote for the Democrats a Nazi just isn’t a winning message. That may seem weird to you but all everyone else hears is that you don’t know what a Nazi is, and you’re just throwing a word around.

Especially this new transitive power of being a Nazi by doing nothing. Even in the aftermath of World War 2 you weren’t considered a Nazi without a party number. By the time you’re done accusing people of being Nazis by the transitive power, everyone, yourself included, will be a Nazi. After all, you might accidentally sit at a table with one and then poof, you magically get an evil fashion sense.

That really depends on how we mean dumb. I just mean generally. But yes in the way that we’re all dumb about things we don’t educate ourselves on, voters are generally pretty dumb on politics. They vote mostly based on messaging and vibe. But they aren’t dumb in the way that you could lie to them about how the economy is currently affecting their life. And Biden was either so detached from the common person he didn’t understand the problem, or he tried to gaslight the public.

Oh so now you have to affirmatively vote for a Nazi. Well good news, Trump isn’t a Nazi, or a Neo Nazi. There are other flavors of shitty politics.

I’m sorry was Richard Spencer on the ballot? How far does this transitive property go? Is the entire family of the voter now Nazis too? After all they have to sit at the table with the person and we know what you all say about sitting at tables with Nazis.

This is a shit attempt at moral blackmail.

The people who didn’t vote aren’t dumb. They either don’t believe they’re in an impacted group, or don’t believe the Democrats would be meaningfully better. It’s really that simple.

Going for peace talks? They fully supported Netanyahu’s every move. Biden said the word peace and sent bombs that are literally nicknamed block busters.

If the Republicans are blocking economic reform then that’s the message, not one of victory and whining that people just don’t get it. All the average person heard was how proud Biden was of the economy. Meanwhile the working class is drowning in an affordability crisis.

The chess moves must at least be moving in the correct direction. Or in the Bus analogy, you don’t get on a bus to hell just because they’re both going there.

Okay. So you don’t understand the word Genocide. Got it.

None of that makes sense. If the Dems are just greenlighting everything anyways, what’s the point for someone who cares about Gaza?

If the Dems are taking victory laps on a failed economy, what’s the point for a working class family?

If the Dems are actively courting the conservative family members of war criminals who lied to us to kill 4,000 Americans, what’s the point for antiwar activists?

There is not two paths when the Democrats are acting like this.

You’re still not getting it. You can’t have “just a little” genocide. There is no more or less doom. There is only doom.

That’s the thing though. In regards to Gaza both paths were marked “Doom”. With regards to the left, courting actual Republicans clearly marked both paths “Conservative”.

Your analogy depends on your point of view being everyone’s point of view. This is a fundamental failing of the democrats this year. They again acted like they were the only obvious choice and nobody could possibly have a legitimate opinion otherwise.

If you ignore voters and let party elders call them Russian agents then it’s not exactly rocket science that they aren’t going to vote for you.

ITT there’s a lot of people unwilling to accept the Democrats didn’t prove their case. They didn’t convince the Arabs they would be any better for Palestinians. They didn’t convince unions they would be any better for them. And they certainly didn’t convince anyone leaning truly left to vote for them by seeking Republican endorsements.

Look, I think Harris did the best anyone could with the cards she got dealt. But blaming the voters has never been a winning strategy.

For some reason they still think they can bully people into voting for their guy. This has been thoroughly disproved but still they persist.

They’re emotional but they’re also correct. Israel controls the West Bank in all but name already.

Abstention in Michigan had no faith the Democrats would prevent this.

There was actually a lot of enthusiasm for her. But she didn’t change his campaign. She ran it the exact same way. And his campaign was already causing people to disengage. I remember in the spring he was trying to celebrate the economy and his advisors whined to the press that the people didn’t agree with him. Did they change that messaging? No they doubled down and told their base they were wrong. Their financial trouble was just Republican propaganda.

Which is insane for a political campaign.

You should not have added them before, Hamas is not an Islamic apocalypse cult. And you’re so insistent on using 10/7 to make the Palestinians out as subhuman that you missed I already gave you the answer to that 2 days ago.

Speaking of which it’s been 2 days and you are clearly committed to making Palestinians look like villains while ignoring reality. You’ve also come up with some of the most ham-handed attempts at gotcha questions I’ve ever seen, so I’m going to call it here.

You just can’t stop putting something in there can you? You’re desperately afraid the Palestinians have a good point.

Lmao. No. Because considering it in a vacuum is a bad faith exercise. I could similarly ask you about shooting clearly marked reporters just standing there. Or any of a hundred other things.

If you don’t consider the why then you aren’t really considering it.