• Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    Man, Israel really turned from victims of fascism to fascists themselves, bent on conquering everything they can.

    Now they’re hell bent on expansion, how well did that go again in the past?

    The only reason they’ve been able to do this shit so far is because now we haveore fascists again. Hello trump, you. The only way this stops is when people, countries, start standing up and start fucking giving Israel the finger.

    Fuck that “but wewe poow jews, wemembew jews and how we were treated??!!!”. Fuck that shit, that was nearly a 100 years ago and pretty much nobody has forgotten except for Israeli Jews. Those that should have been the first to remember were the first to forget. This has NOTHING to do with anti semitism, this is anti fascism. Israël is a fascist state.

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      I can’t believe people are still in denial. You have the world biggest superpower simultaneously attacking several countries and threatening to attack all their closest neighbors.

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    Its actually hell how we allow this to happen how we allowed the formation of zionist state in the first place its disgusting

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    Classic Israeli tactic. Big mate allowed to feel like the tough guy, whilst the little shits do something sneaky and nasty whilst the world looks elsewhere.

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      We already lost. Trump got bullied/suckered by Israel into this mess without a clearly defined American win scenario. Israel has one and they are getting it. The US does not, because Trump is weak and catastrophically dumb, ignorant, narcissistic, and incompetent.

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        We… we lost two THAAD radar arrays, already.

        https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/irgc-destroys-second-us-thaad-system-uae-radar-qatar-early-warning-iran-missile-dominance/

        We… can’t intercept too many missiles without those.

        They’re like $1.5 billion USD each, roughly adjusted for inflation.

        And… I think there were only like, 12 of these things, total. Anywhere. As of a week ago.

        We reportedly have been trying to take away the one we use in South Korea, to redeploy it.

        This is … beyond completely tits up.

        Trump is saying the US Navy will just escort any willing vessel through the Strait of Hormuz.

        And… what, we’re gonna use all our fleet defensive systems, to … shoot down the missiles that Iran can build 10x faster than we can build interceptors?

        Taiwan is now completely fucked, if anyone hasn’t figured that out yet, we will now almost certainly not have enough missiles to repel an invasion from the PLAN and PLAAF.

        This is… extremely bad situation, if you are generally a fan of yourself and other people not dieing a violent death.

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          They’re not only squandering their position as a global leader and the good will of our allies, but the military might and defensive capabilities too.

          They’re literally going to make the continental US vulnerable to attack by wasting so many resources in this pointless war of aggression.

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            Being in Canada, I’m feeling so much relief now. My fear of dying soon isn’t entirely gone, but I’m feeling more hopeful.

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              It’s pretty sad that the world is at a point where Canadians can feel relieved that the US is bombing Iran because it takes the heat off themselves for a little while…

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          They’re moving at least one from S Korea to replace one of the destroyed ones. Hopefully it gets blown up too.

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            When the world police run out of resources, they’re unable to police the world anymore and others who have smartly withheld resources will move in on coveted targets.

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              its also giving china big looks at the US’s current weaknesses with their huge toys that cant account for millions of flying toy planes with grenades self guiding themselves into them. US was built on big power projection but it is expensive as shit and the rapist pissed off of their allies. China could do a lot of damage, whether that is enough to take taiwan 🤷‍♂️ but it would be expensive as hell and be a lot more things for new coral reefs to build from

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                Shock and awe is the terminology on how the USA military works. Dazzle them with military might in hopes they surrender early because long term we may not have the troops for it. Though I wouldn’t be surprised to see conscription in the USA from the concentration camps.

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        Some are saying that this is a brilliant tactic by Trump. They took Venezuela, where China gets much of their oil, and now we’ve blocked Hormuz, where China gets the rest of its oil. They think this will crush China.

        But China still has about a 100 day reserve. When that runs out, they will do something to get leverage for more oil - like take Taiwan. They need the oil, we need the chips. We’ve always worried about them taking Taiwan, and now Trump is going to force their hand with his “brilliant” chess playing.

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            "I’m sorry, you are totally right! Bombing Iran was a mistake. I will keep that in mind in future conversations.

            What would you like to discuss next? Whether planning a new golf course to build in Gaza, drafting a proposal for a larger-than-life-sized golden statue of yourself to go as a centerpiece for your ballroom, or brainstorming ways to distract the news cycle from the Epstein files, my circuits are warmed up and ready to assist you! ⚡🤖🧠 beep boop"

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            Back when MAGA 2.0.was starting, and the Wrestling Bitch (I’m being nice) took over as Secty of Destruction of Education, and she did an interview where she kept saying that the standards at the Dept of Ed were going to be A-1, and eventually it was clear that she had read something about AI being used, but since she had never heard of AI, because she’s stupid, she thought it meant A-1, and proceeded to demonstrate just how stupid she really is.

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        Epstein was the ultimate life insurance policy for Israel. Most of the americal leaders are in their pocket because of the kompromat he collected for decades for the foreign agencies (Israeli and Russian it seems).

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          If Israel is around in 100 years I’ll eat my shorts. They’re speedrunning being turned into a crater

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            Israel’s nuclear doctrine is the Samson Doctrine.

            Basically, if they get nuked… they nuke Moscow, European capitals, anyone and everyone they can reach.

            So… yeah…

            Its literally ‘kill everyone’.

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              How the heck does the world “negate” or oppose Israel with the Samson Option running around?

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                Well, the difference being that the Iranian strategy is to attack things that can attack them, or people they care about.

                And obviously it is non nuclear.

                If Iran does have any ‘nuclear’ capacity, it would be dirty bombs, not… actual, proper, thermonuclear bombs/warheads.

                The Israel strategy is to intentionally take out friend, foe, in between, with full-on thermonuclear weapons, to simply maximize chaos and maximize the chance of basically secondary retaliatory nuclear strikes against as many other targets as possible.

                Goad the world into destroying itself, get other people to do most of the work for them.

                … See how that’s kind of a recurring pattern?


                If you are unfamiliar with the story of Samson from the Old Testament / Torah:

                Samson, a supernaturally strong warrior, is captured by the Philistines, his magic hair that gives him superhuman strength is shorn off, his eyes are put out.

                But, in his despair, he repents his sins, and God gives him his supernatural strength back.

                Samson, while being paraded and mocked in the Philistine royal court, finds the support beams to the whole building, and shakes them so hard that the entire building collapses, killing himself and everyone else in the Philistine royal court.

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                Yeah the whole area is a hot mess. Always has been though, and always will be, unless of course it’s the nuke o’clock some day.

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                  It was peaceful for 800 years under Ottoman rule. Jews and arabs got along just fine under muslim rule. Saying its always been a mess is zionist propoganda.

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            I’m not advocating it. They just seem removed enough from the hot conflicts at the moment to weather the coming moment. If the discussion about this+Venezuela being a pincer move targeting China’s oil supply pans out and/or they move on Taiwan, I guess that could change.

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          China has geographical problems that hamstring it against American Empire.

          Until/unless they build a blue water navy that can blockade America or an alliance system that can shut us out of the indo-pacific, they are fucked in a straight up conflict.

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      People who will win: defense contractors, evangelical christians with investments in Israel, oil companies that can pull the “make money” lever at whim, saudi princes and everyone who is going to shore up around the capitalist might of US/Israel’s war machine.

      People who will lose: anyone who needs insulin, food or childcare.

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          Americans born in the 40s and 50s had such a gilded path set out before them by WW2, and now they think that young people can’t afford homes because of starbucks and avocado toast.

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          Ww2 turned the US into the world’s premier power. In 1945 half the world’s GDP was in the United States and the US Navy was larger than the rest of the wold’s navies combined.

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            That all actually started after World War 1, to be honest.

            It was during the first world war that all of the European powers spent literally all their money fighting each other, with both sides then reaching out to the United States for loans to continue fighting each other, which America was of course happy to oblige.

            The repayment of those loans constituted the largest transfer of wealth in human history from Europe to the Americas, setting the stage for the American war machine to be completed prior to world war two.

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          The British did ok after the second Boer War.

          The empire of Japan did fairly well after the Russo-Japanese War in 1905.

          The empire of Japan also did great after WW1 come to think of it.

          The states did enjoy the Spanish–American war result.

          Really kinda requires a strange mind or a willfully ignorant one to not recognize that wars often have winners and that is a reason they keep happening.

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            Sometimes america does something right. Normally someone else is doing something way worse though. Holocaust stopping is good points in my book.

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                It was a power grab. The US intervened softly to stop the growth of the third Reich into a hegemon, funding Britain, France, and the Soviet Union.

                When Japan hit Pearl harbor Roosevelt was forced to war and honestly he and his team were probably itching to get in there are flex American power to shape events directly. Truman finished things out trying to box in the soviets once it was clear the allies were gonna win.

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      Fucking psychos. Even at their peak, the biblical Israel was never that expansive. What farcical claim do they even attempt to make to this?

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        Their farcical claim has been pretty visible for a while now: they need not only the land they consider sacred and theirs but also a security buffer around it. If pressed, they will explain how a security buffer is not just an arbitrary distance of land but possession of key surrounding geographic positions. And that requires them to go all the way to THIS map.

        Their acquisition of the Golan Heights set the template for this. Israel used to enjoy saying that they never started any of the conflicts, but even then they would admit that they annexed the Golan proactively because of its strategic positioning and key water sources in the area.

        Clearly they won’t be talking about how they never started any of the conflicts anymore. They think they have more to gain than lose by letting that claim go.

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          Okay, well in that case all their neighbors need a security buffer too, which includes the key geographic position of their entire country.

          See how easy it is to make bullshit claims when you’re a fucking sociopathic narcissist who doesn’t understand or care that other people’s needs are just as valid as your own, and that you can’t just take things that aren’t yours just because you want it?

          Children understand this, but apparently the knesset doesn’t. It would be pathetic if it wasn’t so close to getting the entire world blown up…

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      Hard to imagine only half of the Arabian Peninsula or just a minor sliver of the Levant would be enough. “We’re here, why isn’t it ours” seems like the Israeli motto.

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      100% chance that if they did this, they’d find a reason to invade the squishy but obscenely rich Gulf to the east as well.

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          They’re salty about…

          …being let go by the pharaoh? After writing silly stories claiming credit for natural disasters ruining Egypt? Such salty crybabies.

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      The amount of cultural squashing that would need to happen to make this possible is just ridiculous lol.

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      Why? Is there another Hannibal Directive planned I haven’t heard about? Or it that mostly just for civilians?

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      While everyone is looking the other way, they move the borders. Once again. A little bit of this, a little bit of that. Gotta do it while the guy whom they can blackmail with epstein videos is in power.

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      Three countries (and more really) tried to do exactly that, and they have still not recovered

      Their militaries are woefully inadequate, they can’t compete with US/Israeli doctrine directly

      There are many reasons why, “top heavy” is simplest explanation; rank and file are afraid of their superiors (rightly so), so they withhold and misrepresent unfortunate news.

      This makes modern military operations that depend on adaptability, communication, and coordination very difficult.

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        Israel’s nuclear doctrine is the Samson Doctrine.

        They get nuked?

        The nuke every single capital of every country they can reach, friend foe or in between, Moscow, Paris, Berlin, etc.

        “If we’re going down, so is everyone else.”

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    Watch the Lebanese army and goverment again do nothing while their citizens are massacred other than scold their opposition to stop resisting.