Would protestors be safer? Thousands of masked people with guns. Chaos?
I can’t help but think that the only solution to ICE is a “well regulated militia” in combination with political reform, with both being necessary.
Peaceful mass protests are the only way to stop this authoritarian takeover. If it gets violent the government will always have more firepower.
Trump and his cronies want the protests to become violent. They are hoping for an excuse to throw in jail or kill anyone they do not like. Do not do them that favor.
There would be more violence. These thugs in riot gear want an excuse to slaughter people en-mass.
At the risk of dying themselves?
I doubt they’re worried about that. Protest implies that the gun is symbolic or defensive. ICE is there to shoot, and will shoot first.
If it turns into a gunfight, one side gets a gov pension when the smoke clears, and the other side gets prison if they live.
Fair but it’s hard to pin down who shot who if there are hundreds/thousands of shooters and all wearing masks.
I think the real issue would be having to deal with national guard.
They think they’re beyond consequences and “it can’t happen to me, I’m the main character!”
bro they jumped and executed a person they don’t think about risks anymore
Legal repercussions are totally different than thousands of masked people with guns. They all know that the law is slow and easy to get around.
There would be violence, more or less.
My guess is: ICE shoots first (either because of their regular activities or trying to incite a larger riot), the protesters shoot at them, the media shows it as a national tragedy between a rebellious, anti-American group of traitors and the honorable Burger brownshirts and the prez drops the military there and in nearby areas, imposes curfews, etc etc and further restrictions on freedom that, if they trigger a larger conflict, the people would never win because they’d be fighting the American empire’s forces. If it happens, other cities would lower their heads, and America would continue its path into a slave base country. Maybe?
I do think there’d be more than a few mutinies and refusals to follow orders all across the board. Perhaps even to the level of the president trying to nationalize (for instance) the Minnesota National Guard, and their commander responding with a hearty “fuck you, eat shit”.
Most times the US military has gone up against the general population of a society, the US military has lost.
Soldiers would never be able to feel safe again, there is no safe home to return to. Even off duty, what if someone knows?
Then let’s hope that from a post civil war America something good can still grow, then. 👍
Odds of getting a democratic regime out of a civil war are usually fairly low. The guys with the guns normally do not like to give away their power.
Look at our world right now. How many democracies vs. authoritarian regimes do you count? Then, look at the world at any other point of history outside of the last 100 years.
Democracy is a very unique and rare form of government. I would not gamble on a civil war achieving the outcome you would prefer even if the “good guys” win.
This is my big hope. That this fall is so deep that it is burned into our DNA. That a more humane species of mankind emerges from the ashes.
Have you read God Emperor of Dune? 😁
Why yes I have!
More. The larger the group, the more distributed the intelligence, and the larger the chance that someone with unmitigated mental health problems are present.
someone with unmitigated mental health problems are present.
You mean ICE ?
