Are you fucking kidding me? This is some 90s movie/video game villain shit.
As far as I am concerned they need to take as many Israeli ambassadors hostage and keep them that way until they release that woman.
Israel is a terrorist state.
Always has been
A video has come out of how some of the kidnapped people are being poorly treated, disgraceful. There’s also some right wing Israeli politician acting like a cunt.
Ridiculous that these people were plucked out of international waters. And were trying to bring aid to help people. Fuck you Israel, I hope you’re made pay for this in International Courts in the future.
Here’s the story on our national news website in Ireland, and it shows some of the video.
https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2026/0520/1574249-flotilla-gaza-israel/
I couldn’t make an orc or goblin that ugly in any fantasy.
There’s gonna be a revolution in Israel
I mean a pro-Palestinian revolution in Israel
No there’s not. These people are complicit in this.
Well what can we do if the president of the USA is protecting Israel despite everything and says F international law lol actually he hates international law and looks up to dictators lol americans can protect but they need to strike for days bring the economy to a standstill and demand justice, in Europe they strike for way less
Israel was not held accountable before Trump either
US has been overly protective of and generous to Israel since the day they completed Nazi Germany’s plan of moving “the Jews” to a new land. They even assassinated the first US president who called Israel out for having an unexplainable level of control over the US government.
Let’s be fair here, the plan was the British’s. The Nazis just happened to vibe really hard with their plan, just like how they did with Jim Crow.
stop all exports of kerrygold to the united states. I’m only half joking. hit us in the stomach. no more butter, no more cheese, no more beer. Those are our three favorite things in the whole world. Yes, more than oil. we can make all that stuff ourselves for way cheaper but holy shit do comfortable people love Irish dairy.
Kerrygold priced themselves out, it’s $12 for 4 sticks here. I can get a pound and a half of Amish roll butter for less than that.
Kerrygold is more expensive in my state at the local Costco, unless discounts are in play. About $16 IIRC. I either buy the cheaper but nearly identical Kirkland version, or stock up on sticks when the price is down. Got something like 10 cartons in the freezer. Sucks to pay $160 now, but the economy is going to make it at least $200 when the crops stop yielding much food.
Due to the Hormuz crisis, it ain’t just gas, but also fertilizer for fields, that has been limited. That means less feed for the cattle, and everyone else who needs to eat something.
These are troubled times. 😒
So they are keeping westerners hostages too now. Terrorists.
A decade or so ago they murdered an unarmed 19-year-old American citizen in international waters with zero consequences.
Two decades ago they murdered Rachel Corrie
Every day, Israel is proving more and more what a colossal fuck up it was to allow the creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area. Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons. The concept of a religiously run state never works, is always corrupt and tramples on freedom and basic human rights. Every damn time. Jews can live anywhere. Live somewhere else in peace. Fuck Israel and fuck people who support them.
It’s almost like that was the whole point of the operation. To quote the first British governor of Jerusalem, Sir Ronald Storrs, the plan was to create “a little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism”.
It was always colonialism.
Those who thought it was a great idea were fucking morons.
They were not morons and perfectly conscious of the potential consequences.
Israel could habe been created anywhere and the local people would react similarly to palestinians. Nobody want a state forced on them.
Much less a genocidal ethnostate.
Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area
The problem isn’t really the muslims here, nor the jewish supremacy. If you kick 700,000 people of any religion, creed, race, whatever off of the land they’ve lived on for centuries so you can start living there, you’re going to have a problem.
Jews can live anywhere
In the context where zionism was conceived (late 19th century Europe), this is false. Actual antisemitism was rampant in all of Europe. They were being lynched in the streets, and discriminated against on levels that are unimaginable today. And it was completely normal too! It is impossible to overstate what an awful place Europe was for the jews. And this is before the holocaust!
There were some brave jews who organized and armed themselves and fought back, with the motto “here, where I live, is my country”. This was the bund, and they were like the jewish version of the black panthers before the black panthers were ever a thing. Organized schools and mutual aid and all that, too. Truly heroic people.
The other solution is to run away, to colonize some other place (maybe Uganda, maybe Argentina, maybe Palestine) and become the master race there. This is zionism. You know which solution the antisemitic western governments preferred. And it makes sense, right? Imagine you hate jews, imagine you’re an actual antisemite, and a member of british parliament. And now the jews come to you to say, “hey we’ll just move to another country, get out of your hair”. That’s cause for celebration! Not only are you getting rid of the jews, but they’re volunteering to leave! And that’s how you get the Balfour declaration.
Anyway fuck pissrael.
creation of a Jewish state in the middle of a muslim area.
That is not the issue with Israel. Jews lived peacefully among Muslims and Christians in Palestine, the problems started when they started immigrating from Europe to displace indigenous Palestinians on the bases of religious superiority and exclusivity.
The problem with Israel is not that they wanted to create a Jewish only state (that’s a different issue), it’s that they wanted to colonize and ethnically cleanse Palestine to do it.
At this point Israela has peace agreements with several of those “Muslim area” countries, so it less a problem of religious differences and more one of occupation and ethnic cleansing.
I’ve seen this site a lot now on here, and it just looks like another low tier British tabloid that pumps out misleading ragebait content for clicks. From what I saw it’s like the left wing version of the Daily Mail. Why is the information hygiene on Lemmy so poor? Why can’t the community have higher standards on better sources?
They was abducted. Just because you don’t like the source, it doesn’t mean it is a lie.
The article is factually correct and links to another, more popular source. What is misleading about it?
Biased, yes. So what? If you are still neutral in the face of Israeli crimes, you are complicit.
Oh shit, did they make false claims in this article?
Or do you just object to their biased reporting? Because then we can exclude everything from AP news (“Israel ‘’‘’‘‘tests’’‘’‘’’ ceasefire”) to fox news.
What a shit take. You’re information hygiene has to be completely cooked to defend tabloids like this. This is an objectively poor source that’s basically just the Daily Mail 2.0 that pumps out clickbait.
This article is reporting on the same thing, but it is so much better:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp8pz5nm6r8o
Supporting shitty tabloids doesn’t become okay just because they pump out headlines you agree with, the point is the quality.
Your shitty article do not say they was kidnapped . Bbc police language of anti genocide people.
https://www.owenjones.news/p/bbc-staff-were-forced-to-do-pro-israel
But it’s OK because Israel is a democracy. /s
It’s funny how rare this argument has become, a few years ago politicians used it all the time, as if it was some kind of free pass to genocide, war crimes and discrimination.
Just remember that “But it’s a democracy”, is not an argument for anything. USA is also a democracy, but that does not in any way justify their attacks on Iran either, or their blockade of Cuba, or all the dozens of other things they are doing that are against international law.
The US is manifestly not a democracy. When was the last time the working class, you know the group that makes up 90% of the population, actually held political power? No, all of the power is held by capitalists, who use it to enforce their system of authoritarian exploitation.
Nothing can justify genocide or murdering random people at sea. Ever. It doesn’t matter who is doing it. The breaking of international law needs to have consequences.
It seems like a lot of people today have a hard time to not justify atrocities.
In unrelated news: the Lybian “coast guard” is using their EU-provided ships in international waters to shoot at rescue ships and threaten to abduct the crew.
Exactly.
Just remember that “But it’s a democracy”, is not an argument for anything
It’s also good to remember that not only is this not an argument for anything, but also the precondition of being a democracy is simply not met for pissrael. You cannot do apartheid and legitimately call yourself a democracy. There’s a couple million people within the dominion that pissrael rules over who simply cannot vote for the bodies that govern them. That’s not a democracy.
You cannot do apartheid and legitimately call yourself a democracy.
I absolutely agree on that. Weird I never thought about it when the claims were made.
USA is also a democracy
Is it though?
It’s a plutocracy disguised as a democracy
It’s a democracy where dollars are considered citizens and allowed to vote.
Where corporations are people and women are baby factories.
Kakistocracy but yeah.
Technokleptoplutokakistocracy
Gerontechnokleptoplugokakistocracy
Nepogerontechnokleptoplutokakistocracy
I mean yeah, not wrong.
Those are not mutually exclusive. It’s both.
No one said it was mutually exclusive and technically “but yeah” is an agreement so what am I missing?
“but yeah” implies a correction to me.
american here: it is not a democracy. also, FUCK ISRAEL
Democrazy
USA claims to be a democracy.
It’s a dysfunctional democracy. So it’s absolutely not a good democracy.
I think the term is “contested democracy”
yeah its more like a democracy in process of facist takeover. Its a grey area.
A brown area.
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Yeah because there’s not just a lack of evidence for the touted mass rapes or child beheadings, but actually solid evidence and witness testimony against them. We even know the guy who spread these falsehoods.
Meanwhile the IOF is on camera using rape as a weapon of war against hostages, and on record defending it.
Fuck off zionszi
But it’s OK because Israel is a democracy.
Exactly Citizen! Good to see that the Raytheon CorrectThink ™ rays have been beneficial! Looks like we don’t need to increase the beam strength after all.
It requires a broad definition of democracy to consider either of those democracies. The V-Dem Institute puts both in the second tier of “electoral democracy” behind the “true” democracies, termed “liberal democracy.”
From Wikipedia, the electoral democracies are those that:
Regimes that possess the bare minimum to be considered a democracy. They are “de-facto accountable to citizens through periodic elections”, but are not liberal democracies and lack further entrenched individual and minority rights beyond the electoral sphere. Basic electoral democracies may not possess a fully developed rule of law, legislative and judicial oversight of the executive branch, protections against the “tyranny of the majority”, and only minimal fulfillment of Robert Dahl’s institutional prerequisites for democracy.[13]
Both countries are also considered to be backsliding toward autocracy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index
Israel and USA are both flawed democracies placed at 30 and 34.
But they are still democracies.
Yes, by a broad definition. They can be considered democracies because elections, while not free and fair, are not directly rigged, opposition parties are allowed to contest them, and the press is partially free. Contrast this to a country like China or Russia, where elections are a sham, opposition is banned or controlled, and the press is tightly controlled by the government.
I will say though that both V-Dem and the Economist are being somewhat generous. Considering recent events in Hungary, one could argue both countries should really rank lower than Hungary.
I agree, and in Hungary Victor Orban had a lot of control of the media. That’s a pretty big part of being a democracy, that the press (media) is free.
In the US, corporate media is largely aligned with the Trump regime and journalists that dare to ask an actual question are denied access.
Yes the media is very much controlled by the 1%. And Trump paid them back with heavy tax cuts for the 1%.
According to the scoring since 2006 the United States index has dropped by a whole 0.57
That seems highly suspect to me.
I’m not sure what you mean? It has been the trajectory led mostly by the Republicans for decades.
Gerrymandering, illegal surveillance by agencies and even the police, secret laws upheld in secret courts overseen by a tight group of political leaders that are used to silence the press. Sounds like a conspiracy, except Obama admitted it, and even called it a good balance! The Republican rigging of the supreme court.But maybe you mean it has dropped more?
Because I think it has because of Trump, and I also think the score of 8.22 that places it as a full democracy is moronic, considering it’s a 2 party system with fpp voting. And USA has the highest number of prisoners, and they are not allowed to vote.
Nixon actively made cannabis illegal to silence the peace movement. And it has been used since to also oppress minorities.The score has been consistently way to high.
We’re in agreement. It seems way too high to begin with and dropping that little from Bush->Obama->Trump I->Biden->Trump II makes me think there’s some kind of bias at play.
Unacceptable
That website is always big on emotions with little to no information. I don’t know why people post it so often.
This is satire right? This is the same sky news that, when the pissraeli hooligan thing happened in Amsterdam, posted a video of pissraeli hooligans chasing some locals with pipes, correctly identifying the assailants as pissraeli, and later changed the description to say that the assailants were the locals.
No I just grabbed a random UK link…
The weird blog OP linked is a paragraph with no details, that article has a lot more
If you don’t like someone’s link tho…
It’s known as a “dick move” in my culture to not provide one.
You could have just don’t this:
https://www.politico.eu/article/ireland-catherine-connolly-sister-detained-gaza-flotilla-israel/
So you post a link to Sky instead???
They were in international waters, not belonging to Israel. Israel illegally boarded their boats and took them captive.
It’s not really surprising that Starmer has said nothing given his strong links to Israel.
Two thighs can be wrong at once.
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The fuck is Starmer, prime minister of the UK supposed to do about it?!
I read it as he hadn’t issued a statement about the British citizens on the flotilla who were also abducted. That seems like a PM thing to do.
But second; It’s the relative of the IRISH president! You know the sovereign country that exists outside the UK! The fuck is Starmer, prime minister of the UK supposed to do about it?! Also Ireland can stand on it’s own two feet without the UK interfering with Irish politics.
The sister of the Irish president (you know, the sovereign country that exists outside the UK!) was only one person on board. They were off the coast of Cyprus, you know, a country that exists in Europe, and has nothing to do with Israel.
The article that you obviously didn’t read, or the one that was linked after that, but decided to add your tuppence worth anyway, Mentions other people on board of the flotilla. I will quote one of the relevant bits for you. I will even bold some of it.
The Irish government condemned Israel’s actions as “wrong” and “unacceptable”.
UK citizens are also among the victims, but UK PM Keir Starmer has still kept silent about Israel’s crimes. Abductees in previous flotillas have been beaten and tortured, and at least one has been raped. The occupation regime regards rape as a weapon of war. Its routine and brutal rape of Palestinian prisoners has begun even to catch the attention of US ‘mainstream’ media, but is still mostly ignored by UK ‘msm’ – though a few have noted Israel’s threat to sue the New York Times for covering it.
NOBODY in Ireland wants the UK (Especially in this context) to interfere with Irish politics. If you knew anything at all about the history of Ireland and the UK, and the ongoing mess in the North of Ireland, you might have been able to stop yourself sounding so obtuse about this. It also might have helped if you had read the article that people are specifically talking about in this thread.
Get the Brits out!
I would like to think I understand enough to believe it would be offensive if the UK stepped in to intervene on behalf of Ireland. Someone correct me if that is wrong.
The UK wasn’t asked to intervene on behalf of Ireland, and it is very unlikely that they would be. The article specifically mentions that the Irish government have done fuck all too, other than condemn it. They are mostly forced to do that, as the majority of Ireland’s population would be against this.
The article also mentions that there are British people on the flotilla that were also kidnapped/abducted in International waters, illegally, by Israel, and Starmer hasn’t even condemned it. He has said or done nothing about it.
The only reason Ireland is linked, is because one of the people taken, has a famous (in Ireland) sister, who happens to be President, (which is not the head of government in Ireland). There are many more nationalities on board the flotilla.
At least I have an understanding of what actually happened by reading that article. The one in the OP didn’t recount what happened at all beyond summarizing the entire thing as an abduction.
After getting some relevant details, such as the boarding taking place in international waters, the article actually had some value.
sky news
Hahahahahaha
Yeah I’m not British but, thanks to Future of the Left, I know Sky News to be a “hysterical gung-ho Technicolor crapfest” lol
There’s been times it’s created articles based on pure theory and conjecture. It was claiming a while ago that TPUSA was deploying blackshirts in the UK when in reality it was just a bunch of Holiness Christians in trackies having a demonstration in SoHo with no relation or connection to TPUSA
The thing most people don’t bother to learn about TPUSA, is that the organization is focused on indoctrination of Christian-Right ideology in schools. They want schools to have a charter to promote their fucked up beliefs. At one point (I don’t know what was made of it) the Oklahoma school superintendent claimed TPUSA charters were something their students (or maybe the parents) wanted and that he would mandate across the state all high school’s have a charter.
I’m talking about the UK. We already have state religion anyway and schools generally have had mandatory religious education and Christian worship during assemblies. We don’t have the same constitutional idea of separation of “Church and State” that the USA is supposed to have, moreso a separation of State and Government. So supporting something like this would just be a simple conservative position rather than something radical
Unlike the UK’s fake religion that everyone knows is fake and is only kept around because without it the monarchy has no legitimacy (also a fake antiquated thing but whatever), American evangelicals actually believe in the evil shit that their religion promotes and endorses them to do.
Or are you saying that killing witches and executing gay people never stopped being mainstream in the UK?
Generally Christians do actually believe in their religion. Christianity doesn’t promote “evil shit”. It definitely doesn’t promote executing people.
Yeah, it’s just always set off my Spidey tingles.
Even if well intentioned, it’s shitty journalism
I always imagine these sites have a couple people going over the text and they all want to prove their worth coloring the wording. There’s no one there to dial it back down so that’s how you end with with this
Because you’re on Lemmy…
