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So is San Francisco about to hire 100k tech workers back?
100k East Asian tech workers, sure.
AI = Actually Indonesian
I should build an autoinvesting bot that takes lemmy comments as input and does the exact opposite of the sentiments of those comments. There’s gonna be some broken moments here and there for sure, but overall it might be pretty good.
AI isnt AI
LLMs are overhyped
This is all a coordinated effort to keep people in fear and distraction while they prop up the stock market with AI hype to make Trump look better than he is. Its all lies and marketing.
This sounds like the VC money is running out and the subsidies will soon end.
Don’t you worry, the AI companies already gobbled up the entire Internets worth of data, every conversation they could find on their social media networks to train their machine.
And just like Uber, you’ll now have to pay a premium to use their service when it finally works. Don’t worry they’ll still give you the stupid auto complete chat bot and tell you that’s the real AI, The real AI works for the corporate captured government and is figuring out how to get rid of you. Their goal is not enlightenment of the human race, It’s depopulation and control.
This sounds like the VC money is running out
Nah. It sounds like they’re in the dump phase of the pump-and-dump.
And just like Uber, you’ll now have to pay a premium to use their service when it finally works.
But Uber still isn’t any more expensive than contemporary taxi rides (which were already exorbitant thanks to municipal cartelization and bad urban planning). These AI services aren’t a problem as a function of cost (OpenAI and Anthropic are still both giant pits of burning cash) they’re a problem as a function of… function. Like, every agent still needs a professional babysitter or three. The tech debt these features generate often outstrip their real business value. And the tail risks are enormous.
I hail an Uber, I get in the vehicle, I ride to my destination, I pay the fee. That’s no different than a taxi service in any meaningful sense save the interface.
I install an AI agent, I issue a command, <???>, uh… profit? Apparently I can now cancel my Sales Force subscription because now I’ve got eighteen thousand automagically generated Power BI reports blowing up my email using info from databases that got organically spun up on my Amazon account to do god even knows what? Hooray! Optimized!
There is no “real AI”. That’s why the money is drying up.
That’s not to say they won’t exploit all that data on the way out, though.
I’ve been waiting for this to happen. People don’t generally understand datacenters. You have to bring in an unending stream of bare metal in one side to keep them updated and they’re using the fastest, most expensive hardware available, and it’s so cutting edge, it’s obsolete a couple years after they install it. There is no way those measly $200 claude accounts are paying for themselves without VC.
Yeah I don’t see this sentiment enough. It’s not like they’ll buy the graphics cards now and then be done with it, they have to keep buying it over and over again. It’s a rolling expense. Given that the manufacturers can’t keep up with the supposed demand as it is, there’s just no chance it’d ever be sustainable from that perspective alone. Nevermind the massive rolling cost it’d incur.
It was never going to work.
It works if someone corners the market and everyone else gives up. Every single VC thinks they’re the company that is going to do that.
Just a few more interest rates bro
At some point they will have to monetize and that’s going to be a bad day for everyone.
Imagine having halved your workforce, suddenly you have to pay for compute at what it actually costs.
If they don’t find a new thing to sell to their shareholders they will have to monetize.
And good luck rebuilding all the institutional knowledge that you threw away by firing half your staff, while your former employees are getting rounded up into homeless work camps…
Well, the key word is “right now”. AI companies are gambling that their runway is long enough to reach monetization.
Always will be until saturation occurs. If we can keep fighting off data centers, that might be a while down the road
I built my little empire out of some crazy garbage called the blood of the exploited working class.
I’m just going to note how giga-fucked it is that AI is openly being criticized because it hasn’t led to more layoffs.
Speaking of layoffs:
To everyone here I am in need of work and on side working on some personal open-source projects. If I’m going to be unhoused I might as well enjoy it:
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Endless Runner Mobile Game like Temple Run but with ninjas and fighting enemies like mechs, assassin fish robots, etc along the way. Going for a retro type aesthetic. Undecided on what kind
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A Dark Cartoon Action Rogue-like Shoot Em Up (Think Mouse: P.I. For Hire mixed with Vampire Survivors) where you are trying to survive against endless hordes of enemies and collaborating with or fighting against other players depending on the gamemode (Maybe both at same time for one gamemode)(To see how to implement local co-op too) https://youtu.be/9nrmJSgqYTI https://youtu.be/iIlkIA6lxl0
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A Conker-like spiritual sucessor game with a brand new open source mascot at the helm (Will see how to have other open source mascots part of the story in some way too in a tasteful way) https://youtu.be/bTsNc_Bh17Y https://youtu.be/eorXCzJlpJ8
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A Walking-Bike (I have ambitions for bigger vehicle projects with others in future. Walking Bike-Cars, etc) https://youtube.com/shorts/pspKOt-0XUg
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A Short Animation series about Mini-Kaijus and their adventures about going around (destroying) the world
I’m a newbie for most of this but doing to learn and revise/overhaul as I go and learn more to eventually make these better and build up teams to work on these too (Make a couple game studios one by one eventually as well)
Have more experience with programming but nothing publicly showable yet sadly since I don’t have much confidence/self-esteem in myself and well I have never shown my work before. I’m proud of them and how they play/run. I’m sure people would like them but I don’t know
My ultimate goal though is to make games, animations, and even vehicles that people enjoy using, have fun with to play, and are moddable, and with community creations so you can play/drive them however you want. Building up communities, studios, and more that live well, get paid well, and enjoy creating together
Thinking of making a Ko-Fi/Patreon but have no clue if anyone would even donate to see any of this be fully made and released.
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Just want to point out the “more layoffs”. We are still in the Uber-subsidized part of the relationship.
This is the honeymoon and it ain’t off to a great start
It’s absolutely baffling how the gig-economy had been normalized.
I am a news junkie. Just this week they were talking to a business expert about youth unemployment (note it’s bad everywhere but it’s starting to get bad in 1st world now so we are caring finally) and his response was yeah it’s bad but basically we have to get used to a future of hustling doing multiple gigs with no health benefits because that’s where things are going.
Fucking government is bent over the barrel letting industry define the workers terms of engagement it’s disgusting.
We are still in the Uber-subsidized part of the relationship.
It’s not comparable, the costs for Uber are fixed development costs which decrease per customer with more customers. AI is strictly more expensive the more users there are since the cost is per use. The financial outlook for the industry is very bad, it will probably never be profitable except maybe in some extremely niche situations.
I don’t think they mean uber the company, I think they meant uber as in over or very.
I think they mean the company since they’re the most famous example of subsidising the product to gain market share and their name is invoked all the time in discussions of AI economics
AI is strictly more expensive the more users there are since the cost is per use.
Isn’t most of the cost in the model training?
The cost of inference has passed the cost of training quite a while ago and it’s by far the majority of expenses
The companies need to at least seem to grow forever. See Facebook to meta VR stuff to AI. The business models could not grow forever that’s the reason for this constant reinvention of themselves.
At some point AI and building these data centers will have to lead to quantum break , wow we have AGI or to monetization.
Who’s going to pay the actual energy costs+ margin for all their tokens? Not me
They have invested too much, it’s funny how the mobs aren’t bigger and with more pitch forks. There is only one way for them to win, and that’s to replace a majority of white collar workers. Almost anything short of that with the amount of money invested and loaned is a failure for the Capital holders. But they hold them hostage because if AI fails, it blows up everyone’s retirement account and the general economy.
Just imagine where we would be 5-10-15 years from now, if all that AI money would have went into social and environmental projects.
That describes my entire life since adolescence… wondering what kind of society we could have had if we werent governed by sociopaths
Psychopathy is the one associated with success not sociopath
If all the resources we spent blowing shit up and killing innocent people had been put to good use instead, we would be in a Star Trek-esque post-scarcity society by now. Possibly on our way to being Kardashev type 1 society.
Well, we still need to survive the war with the Klingons and Vulcans before we form the alliance and implement full-on space communism. But we already know we will, so it’s basically just for show.
No, I don’t want to be any more depressed.
The best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, the second best time is now. We can start on nice things today.
I got ome planted so far thos year. Running out of space on my own property. Time to go guerilla.
Womp womp
It also can’t do any job I know of. Weird framing. Though, I guess that’s the snake oil they’re trying to sell.
If you have someone good enough shepherding it, you can get decent results quickly.
It doesn’t turn less money into more output, it turns more money into less time. And, you know, steals from everyone and eats our resources. omnomnomnom
It can’t fully displace jobs because it’s super unreliable and makes tons of errors all the time. But it can do some tasks well if you know how to handle it.
Still not worth anywhere near what it costs, either to the user, the CAPEX investment, society or the planet.
Not to mention the risk we take by running them but being unable to control the things. Because, you know, we don’t actually know how they work, since we didn’t program them, to begin with.
Just wait till executives realize they can’t use AI as a scapegoat when they force a bad decision through the company. They’ll have no one to take the fall.
AI businesses are already getting away with their software killing innocent people. I think everyone will work out for the people at the top.
Yup. Capitalism only works in a finite world if there’s a catastrophic economic hardship for 99% of the population every 5 to 10 years just to ensure the working class doesn’t achieve too many gains. Ai causing the economy to crash is bonus feature, not a bug.
I’m pretty sure this is wrong but 400 years of history certainly agrees with you.
It’s why there’s often a human in the loop who has to check the result of the AI and can be blamed if things go wrong. The poor sap can’t possibly check and correct the volumes of slop produced so they’re just there to work as a scapegoat.
This reminds me of Barney Stinson
Except he was paid well
Please
It’s like that twilight zone episode. They fire everyone then no one is left to help do anything
I’m pretty certain that companies and people have been using the old “computer error” excuse since at least the 1980s.
Are you sure? So far it seems like they’ve been able to do just that.
Gruen tonight was talking about ‘Single Person Billion Dollar Brands’, it was sickening.
That won’t stop them from trying to use “AI” as a scapegoat, and it also won’t stop investment bankers from continuing to participate in the circlejerk
Slop software houses are gonna PAY BIG for losing human talent.
When that happens and it all crashes down, there will be plenty of experienced devs and sysadmins to fill the market gaps. Maybe as independent contractors/freelancers, but ideally as tech co-ops.
So… why the fuck are you going all-in on AI at the expense of literally everyone and everything else!?
They’re nvidia, they don’t care if the shovels they’re selling won’t dig any gold
Short term? Drive wages down with the threat of firing people and replacing them with AI. Long term? They’re either delusional enough to believe AI will improve to the point where it actually is cheaper, or else they’re willing to pay more for a workforce that can’t organize and protest and that they don’t have to worry about doing things like being a whistleblower for their latest amoral plan.
Control, propaganda, surveillance, tools of war, etc and so forth.
the investors, anyway
Some CEO’s thought they could save a bundle and were eager to replace workers. Other CEO’s saw that, had to do a bunch of layoffs and knew saying “replaced with AI” instead of layoffs keeps stock prices high. Then you have a whole bunch of CEO’s that thought the other guys must be on to something, think they’re missing out and jump into AI both feet first. The laggards are bombarded with news and propaganda by the big players to get them pulled in too. So by now you get everybody messing around with AI in some fashion. That’s the moment the tech giants put the squeeze on everybody.
They are clearly anti-human. The question is what are they really trying to achieve? I hope it is not just Bioshock.
My theory is that they think that, with world-scale financing, testing, and iterating, they can get this thing to do a lot of work that is currently exclusively in the purview of humans today. I believe that some of the wealthiest among us tolerate the rest of us sharing their air because, for now, they must, and the second they can replace us with obedient machines, they will.
If I am right about that, then this entire hype cycle and seemingly endless funding rounds and unabated lending Ouroboros Ponzi schemes makes more sense. They’re not delusional that the product works better than it does, they are desperate for the holy grail of greed: not having to ever share anything with anyone ever again.
profit. the profit must flow.
…but there is no profit…eg testla
I’m hoping this insane future booked shortage causes the consumer electronics industry to crash due to lack of parts which in turn should cause the AI industry to crash when no one is buying new tech nor fat AI subscriptions.
It already has to be affecting small to medium businesses significantly when even laptop procurement has tripled in price and you’re spending a ton of money for enterprise AI access.
These companies want to own all the hardware so you are forced to rent a computer. To buy a PC that does nothing by itself and requires some remote hardware to function. Amazon is already preparing a “game streaming” service, for example.
Ahh, late to market in a flooded field with at least one law of physics preventing it from ever working acceptably. Good job, Jeff!
Good luck with that to them. Internet reliability is extremely crappy in the US, even on supposedly “tech hubs” in California the best you can do is unreliable Comcast or super slow DSL from AT&T.
I don’t think any of them are terribly concerned with the quality of the service.
I think they’re hoping the result is that we can only afford cheap tablet devices that act as dumb terminals for their cloud services which we have to rent forever due to holding our data hostage so they can manufacture consent and prevent us from developing open solutions to their walled garden proprietary products.
A precarious moment at the edge of a cliff.
It already has to be affecting small to medium businesses significantly…
I’d imagine that is a major factor in why it’s so accepted right now. Gotta consolidate the market!
