Says the country which provides Russia with a fuckton of drones used to bomb Ukrainian cities.
Yes, I have seen video of an Ukrainian interceptor blow up a Shahed strike drone above a city where people speak Arabic (and I’ve seen an US fighter plane fail the same task).
Ukraine needs missile defense. Missile defense is hard to come by and slow to develop.
However, Ukraine has the most advanced antidrone defense in the world, thanks to endless practise… in part due to Iran supplying Russia with blueprints for Shahed-136 production about 3 years ago (Russia has since surpassed Iran in both volume and skill, again due to endless practise against Ukraine).
Thus, Ukraine tries to bargain with Arab countries to get whatevever remains of available Patriot PAC-3 supplies. In return, it offers cheap interceptors, advise about how to use and make them, how to jam navigation and communication, how to use PAC-3 more efficiently, etc.
I am not aware of any Ukrainian attack on Iran.
Overall, Iran should have absolutely no reason to complain about Ukrainian involvement, since they have supplied Russia. And besides, Ukrainian involvement is not limitless - so far Ukrainians have been helping defend third countries (which made the mistake of hosting US bases, but regardless have reasons to defend their airspace).
Yes, it’s a mess. I hope it ends, as there is no positive outcome from continuing. Currently the best way of ending it seems like the US ceasing its campaign (not happening, a third aircraft carrier is moving towards the Middle East) and Arab countries negotiating with Iran to open the Strait of Hormuz for traffic. But all of this involves the orange person admitting a big mistake. He is currently doubling down instead.
Ukraine has its own interests (get missile defense supplies from anywhere) and will pursue them anyway. Can’t buy from China or South Korea, supply from Japan is tiny, supply from Germany is of the wrong type or not yet started up, supply from France and Italy is very limited - they will find any missile defense anywhere and try to see if it can be bought (while rushing to make their own based on the Soviet S-300).
So fucking what? Iran started it. And by “it” I mean helping Russia in their fucked up conquest trip into Ukraine.
I wouldn’t have blamed Ukraine if they had sent boots on the ground soldiers to Iran 2 years ago. Fuck Iran’s government with frozen holy water. I hate Trump almost as much but I sincerely hope he will succeed in this war and destroy those absolute fucking monsters.
I don’t know what Iran expected when they spent the last several years actively arming Russia, I wonder how differently the war would have gone without Shaheds terrorizing Ukrainian infrastructure and civilians…
In the context of this shitty situation, this is pretty much the absolute least controversial point of the whole thing. Iran supplied shaheds, as well as the design (which Russia proceeded to refine and mass produce and use against Russia). Iran has effectively been actively hostile towards Ukraine for years before Operation Epstein Feelings kicked off. What the actual fuck did they think was gonna happen?
To be clear: the Iran War is absolutely, categorically, pants-on-head stupid, and is an awful idea for a multitude of reasons from a multitude of domains. But this specific aspect of it is entirely uncontroversial.
So those Shahed drones sent to Russia weren’t active participation then?
This is what fucks me off about the war Israel/USA vs Iran. Its all well and good being critical of America, what theyre doing is illegal, fucked up and moronic.
But don’t ever forget that Iran is a despotic, theocratical regime that only last month murdered thousands of its own civilians who tried to speak out.
Both sides in this war are shits.
shut the fuck up dude
murdered thousands of its own civilians
epstien told you that?
Iran and Israel can both be bad at the same time.
Comparing iran and israel is new low
Israel is literally settler colonial apartheid state
One country is worse so the other can’t do anything wrong, gotcha, never heard that one before
Fuck Israel, but you need to educate yourself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_massacres
Prior to that, there have been countless cases of abuse and murder of protestors and even just uncovered women.
Fuck the Islamic government of Iran too.
how does that effect the dynamics of this war? you are just using fascist talking point to justify imperialism
A factual statement about civilian protestors being killed equals “fascist talking point” to you. You certainly have an interesting thought process. Maybe those people didn’t matter to you though.
This war is absolutely not justified and Israel and the US should face international condemnation and prosecution.
I’ve no support for Iran, but if you’re going to mention how awful a state is who murders thousands of people, well then, Israel is even worse. Not only higher numbers but a genocide to boot.
Ukraine has consistently supported Israels actions, which I guess it was for material support.
Let’s not forget that the USA and Israel started this illegal war.
There are no good guys in any of this, we can agree.
Edit: dropped “the” from Ukraine as apparently its a Russian dog whistle. Never knew that, sorry.
Coming from an anarchist perspective, there’s nothing to be confused about here.
Every state is evil and shitty, and they should all be abolished. (But especially states that invade other states and kill their people.)
100% Agree!
Completely agree.
If this war was a coalition of nations acting under the lawful mandate of the UN then I’d be broadly supportive of it, especially if the goal was to remove the regime and allow freedom and democracy to be restored.
But it isn’t, its being carried out by an equally genocidal regime being propped up by a demented orange pant shitter
The Ukraine
Confirmed Russian viewpoint.
Or it could be someone who didn’t get the memo, or their native language could be like this too (they could be German, for instance). WTF fucking chill out, dude.
Yep. It’s bad people doing bad things for bad reasons to other bad people, and the plebs get caught in the meat grinder.
Same as it ever was, I guess.
That’s my opinion as well, rooting for any one party in this stupid war is idiotic at this point, basically two elephant fighting, and the victim is the mouse deer in the middle.
why would the Ukraine attack another country while already at war with russia? Not like they’d want to fight two battles.
the Ukraine
It’s just Ukraine.
‘The Ukraine’ is a Russian dogwhistle.
oh wow. I just did a bit of a skim of an article, and ukrainians themselves have said it’s just “ukraine”. My apologies to them :(
You’re good :)
I never knew this. Thanks for letting me know.
Not necessarily true, the Ukraine is also acceptable in British English and other languages put a definite article in front of Ukraine, if you are translating to English as a second language
To add another layer of absurdity to this linguistic debate, both of the native languages (Ukrainian/Russian) entirely lack definite articles such as “the”. Russian/Ukrainian doesn’t even have a word for “the”.
For example, when translating “A cat is on the table” to either Russian or Ukrainian (the two languages are pretty similar), you’d end up with what would translate back most literally as “Cat is on table.”
Including it or not only becomes an issue when translated into other languages.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine
Ukraine is one of a few English country names traditionally used with the definite article the.[3] Use of the article was standard before Ukrainian independence, but has decreased since the 1990s.[4][5][59] For example, the Associated Press dropped the article “the” on 3 December 1991.[5] Use of the definite article was criticised as suggesting a non-sovereign territory, much like “the Lebanon” referred to the region before its independence, or as one might refer to “the Midwest”, a region of the United States.[60][61][62][f]
In 1993, the Ukrainian government explicitly requested that, in linguistic agreement with countries and not regions,[65] the Russian preposition в, v, be used instead of на, na,[66] and in 2012, the Ukrainian embassy in London further stated that it is politically and grammatically incorrect to use a definite article with Ukraine.[3] Use of Ukraine without the definite article has since become commonplace in journalism and diplomacy (examples are the style guides of The Guardian[67] and The Times[68]). According to U.S. ambassador William Taylor, “The Ukraine” implies disregard for the country’s sovereignty.[69] The Ukrainian position is that the usage of “The Ukraine” is incorrect both grammatically and politically.[3]
Ukraine has a fucking bone to pick with Iran. They have been supplying Russia with drones that are killing their people. They also have the most experience and expertise in dealing with them and want to leverage that for securing aid for their own war of survival.
While it’s true that Ukraine is not attacking Iran, they have sent military personnel to assist defending against incoming Iranian attacks, so the US and Israel can continue their war in Iran instead of diverting more resources to protect GCC countries.
So I’d argue both statements are true: Ukraine is not attacking Iran, but they are supporting the US and Israel.
Given that Iran has been giving support for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, I’d say that’s fair.
My comment was not intended as judgment, but I think so too.
A case of pot meets kettle
Either what Ukraine is doing is not okay, or what Iran was/is doing is okay. It’s really that simple.
