TLDR: A well funded and developed brainwashing machine vs the mind of an 18 year old will end in tragedy. The Israeli government is doing generational damage to its own people and this is just the beginning. There is no excuse for the genocide but there are reasons.
I had to serve 3 years in the IDF 2013-16. I spent a year trying to get out of it using medical issues but then the police showed up to our door. I spent 3 years fixing armored combat vehicles at an engine shop.
When you grow up in Israel you are surrounded by pro military and anti Palestinian/Arab propaganda. At 16 they call you in for a physical and that’s where the brainwashing really kicks in. The next two years of high school you’re thinking of finals and graduation, prom but also what unit you and your classmates could end up in. My school had a program where you spend time on a military base to “try it out”. They draft you at 18 years old, you’ve just graduated and you’ve received a letter from the government telling you what unit you’re in and when to report. You may hate the Israeli government you may think Palestinian should have rights but the social pressures of serving have been hammered into you for years. Now you’re on a bus taken to a remote military base where they put you through all the brainwashing and cult building tech they’ve perfected over the decades. You’re just a kid out of highschool already conditioned to follow authority and now they’re yelling at you to run, shoot and protect your new best friend you made in the army. They tell you that every Palestinian at the check point is a threat and show videos of Palestinian resistance to make sure you’re scared. You hear about a soldier who fell asleep on a bus and got stabbed in the neck by a Palestinian fighter. You hear about a police officer shot at a checkpoint.
These kids are committing war crimes while deep in a cult that tells them it was right. When they leave and see reality it will cause PTSD and suicide for those that can’t live with what they’ve done. The feeling when reality conflicts with your brainwashing hits hard.
Imagine looking back at your teenage years when you were an idiot by instead of cringe you recall shooting innocents that a system convinced you were out to kill you.
When I first drafted I was not aware of the Palestinian struggle but over my 3 years, even though I wasn’t in combat I started to realize who the bad guys were. I tried to transfer to the humanitarian arm of the IDF that allegedly does outreach to Palestinians but was denied due to my low physical score. If I had protested and dodged my draft it would have ruined my life, I did not live in a progressive town or household. To this day I don’t know any other pro Palestinian liberation people from my old social circles.
. The Israeli government is doing generational damage to its own people and this is just the beginning.
It is therefore necessary the Netanyahu dictatorship be toppled.
It is not a war, it is a genocide. The IDF target and shoot kids in the head. Knowing that your side does this would mess up most people.
These zionist pigs deserve their own hells. Rot, you fucks. When you’re gone Israel might one day be a peaceful place, but not a day before.
People are human and naturally sociable. They created monsters out of their soldiers. Dissonance gonna cause something to snap sooner or later.
According to Israel, they have, ahem… ‘the most moral military in the world’. And according to this psychiatrist these suicides are attributed to ‘moral injury’ due to ‘accidentally’ killing women and children.
With the amount of women and children murdered by the Israeli army, surely the entire army should have killed themselves through ‘moral injury’?
Perhaps the truth is simpler, Israel is a genocidal apartheid ethnocolony that forces its citizens to be complicit in its bloodshed through conscription and these are the few soldiers with any shred of morals left.
OP’s post history contains exclusively pro -China and anti-Western propaganda narratives, but this here has a special spin. Not that condemning Israel’s atrocities is wrong, but while posting this here OP’s communities literally celebrating Russia’s atrocities against Ukrainian civilians or China’s genocide against people in Tibet, East Turkistan (Xinjiang), and Inner Mongolia.
As one study says:
… The presence of left-wing extremism on the Lemmygrad. ml instance of the decentralized social media platform Lemmy, from its launch in 2019 up to a month after the bans of the subreddits r/GenZedong and r/GenZhou … reveal a substantial increase in user activity and toxicity levels following the migration of these subreddits to Lemmygrad. ml. …
[Users] frequently share posts that support authoritarian regimes, as seen in their support for China, North Korea, and Russia. Moreover, their support can extend beyond backing these authoritarian regimes, even cheering on their violent actions, as evidenced by their posts on the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Additionally, we observe anti-Zionist and antisemitic behaviors, which show similarities to right-wing extremism … Our analysis suggests a concerning endorsement of authoritarian actions and extremist rhetoric on Lemmygrad. ml, further indicating that left-wing extremist communities on decentralized platforms should receive more attention from the academic community.
It’s a deeply repugnant mindset.
Every time someone calls out Israel we get people discounting it because they are not perfect, and project motives.
Every time. Suspicious no? All the shit to discount, corporations funding fake science to poison to save a buck, you cancel an israel critic for an alleged lack of purity.
Every time someone calls out Israel we get people discounting it because they are not perfect, and project motives.
That doesn’t happen ‘every time’ nor is it about discounting Israel’s war crimes or what you call a ‘lack of purity.’ Just read OP’s post history. It’s a devastating testimony for a lack of any ethics.
I know we should be friendly and polite here, but celebrating violence against innocent people because they perceive them as ‘enemies’ is - at best - brainwashed, and it is mentally derailed at worst. Just read the linked study or go to the comms and read the posts there yourself.
Israel is the most ratfucked online discussion. Legions of mechanized troll divisions scramble to any mention. Chatbots too, the newer generation ones, paid for with tax dollars. This is one of their go to moves, criticizing anyone posting anything, any media reporting anything. Al jazeera they are in a country mean to woman, and so forth. Coming from the worst people in the world.
Not only do they ratfuck the discussion, they use the corrupt influence of the US government to get people cancelled on social media. Cancelled in a way people are not told why, a different issue, not even a violation, flags the person. Whether it’s mass flagging social media pretends not to see, or agencies and their contractors giving lists of accounts to violate.
Any time you find yourself on the same side as those people, you should re examine what you are doing, to prevent being tooled. There are a thousand issues you could call out right now, like Iran War 2 they are hyping.
The next wave of weird conspiracies just to distract from the topic.
As an addition: You don’t need to believe me or the linked study. Just go to these communities and read their posts and comments yourself.
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This is an ad hominem attack. I can abhor both the IDF and the CCP simultaneously, and this post is pro-neither. If OP posts something “repugnant”, then call them out in that comment section.
Read their entire post history. The spin is absolutely clear.
More of this please.
I’d rather have the war stop though.
*genocide
It can be both.
That is indeed possible. But it happens not to be both.
Fuck these monsters; they deserved to be locked up for their crimes, who care about their nazi consciences?
Israeli army is significantly made of conscripts. Men need to serve at least 3 years compulsory military service, women 2 years.
And I am sure not all of them support the government. I would go as far as the one with PTSD and committing suicide are the ones that less support the talking points of the government
They were just following orders?
They have the option of refusing service and serving a few months in jail instead of shooting toddlers in the head. Conscription is not an excuse.
If you’re downvoting the idea of refusing to shoot children for 30 days in jail, you might just be a Nazi.
That excuse is one step removed from “just following orders”
Cool, what would you do? Desert? (And go where?) Commit suicide?
Option 1: Rape and kill (in)discriminately for 3 years Option 2: Use your passport and leave Option 3: Object and face jail time (inversely proportional to how well your parents are connected to police, lawyers, or politicians)
Gee, all three options sound equally bad so it’s a very tough choice
Do you realise that the wast majority of conscripts is doing office job. When you take the decision option 1 is more “doing office job unless you are unlucky”. And even there, likely the people that commit suicide and/or develop PTSD are not people that rape (they are doing just fine and happy to go for another mission)
Option 2 is only if you have two citizenships (and the other is not Russian like the majority of Israeli people) otherwise you can’t really move
Of course I do, did I stutter? Genocide needs compliant office workers, or did you think “terrorist office workers” have their hands clean?
Option 2 is available for every Israeli, including the vast majority of citizens who have dual citizenship, and not exclusively. Israel does not have a SuperIsrael preventing them to flee
Like asking for asylum? How do you imagine immigration pans out? (Not emigration, sure, that is the easy part)
I sure as shit wouldn’t be shooting children in the streets. Anywhere I guess, but also the streets. I’d rather take a bullet to the head denying an order instead of murdering an innocent.
PTSD can be caused by much more than just shooting someone. For example, witnessing the horror is probably enough. Most soldiers, in any military, never fire their rifle in combat. Many still have PTSD.
It is possible to refuse to be conscripted, and be sent to jail for 30 days. Mostly people go to another country.
Most of them are dual citizens anyway, easiest out for any military.
Men need to serve at least 3 years compulsory military service, women 2 years.
Are you saying there are no innocents in Israel?
There’s children, there’s folks who refuse service. So I would venture to say that there are some people in Israel who are innocent. Of course, anyone who served in the military is not on that list.
Conscientious objectors are a thing. There are consequences to objecting, of course. Maybe it makes you a pariah in the settler colonial apartheid ethnostate of Israel, but just fucking move, you’re not supposed to be there anyway. Maybe you cannot move out of Israel, and you’ll be flipping burgers for the rest of your life or whatever. But you know what? Murdering a child to save your own career still makes you the bad guy. Helping others murder children to save your own career still makes you the bad guy.
But even beyond that, it’s not like these folks are going to gaza with a gun pointed to their head. Most of the population supports the government’s genocide of Palestinians, as polls show. There are very few innocents in Israel.
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So many if not most of tbese suicides are the state, connected groups, killing them. They are fascist, it comes with the territory.
Not all that knew either, they have long disguised state sanctioned murder as car accidents.
Yes, shooting civilians has that effect. I read something similar in the 3rd Reich general memoirs.
Yup. That’s why they came up with the extermination camps. More humane. For tne killers.
Almost like committing war crimes feels unethical. Obviously seen in Iraq, Viet Nam etc. I think it’s ok to feel bad for everyone
Poor genociders
(Article from Oct. 2024)
I remember this article was suspiciously titled similar to another one from a different outlet about a Gazan teenager who suffered loss of limbs and family, while sheltering outside a a school in a makeshift refuge camp.
Almost as if CNN saw it and wanted to do a reverse take.
Seems like suicide is the only proof that Zionists have any humanity.
