The Greens, which made enormous gains in the local elections, were repeatedly accused by their rivals and sections of the media of engaging in 'Muslim sectarianism'
The ruling parties love to smear the Greens on this side of the pond too, unfortunately. This fact inspires a chuckle any time I hear a Democrat or Republican talking about ‘democracy’. They’re like American Christians talking about how much they care about religious freedom.
The ruling parties love to smear the Greens on this side of the pond too, unfortunately
The Greens on the USA side of the pond do a great job of smearing themselves.
Here’s the US Green Party 2024 Presidential candidate Jill Stein having dinner with Vladimir Putin, members of Putin’s senior staff, and self admitted registered foreign agent for the Turkish government, Michael Flynn.
The critical issue with the US greens is their pathetic efforts in local organizing and their overvaluing of the presidency. Instead of trying to build power from the ground up like the DSA, they throw most of their efforts behind doomed campaigns that do nothing for anyone. Besides, the only way a party can win the presidency is by replacing another in the duopoly.
Exactly. If there were 30 greens in the house of Representatives and 10 green senators, suddenly they’d be able to actually push policies. And to get there they’d need to demonstrate electability in smaller elections.
I’m a fan of Nader, I’m sad he was never president. But if he couldn’t even come in second place in the best third party run since the whigs collapsed it’s time to stop focusing on the presidency and start trying something else.
she did not have dinner with putin. this is misinformation
You’re looking at the picture. Both Stein and Putin are sitting at the same table. There is food in front of both. Are you claiming the photo is fake? Or are you playing word games where the meal was something like “lunch” instead of “dinner”?
That explanation isn’t helping her cause or that of the Greens. She actively went to a celebration of the Russian state propaganda machine, that is mistake #1. Then, according to you, she made a choice to continue to sit silently a table with Putin. She could have either kept quiet, stood up and removed herself, or she could have exercised some statesmenship and when presented with the President of Russia, challenge him on his policies of invasion of the sovereign country of Ukraine killing its citizens and kidnapping its children in the Donbas.
are you brave enough to berate the president of a despotic oligarchy to his face on his soil? knowing your own countries media won’t even give you a 2 minute spot?
First, I’m not stupid enough to go to Russia to celebrate their propaganda apparatus like she did. Second, I notice you selectively ignored the other option of her just standing up and walking away.
You’re working very hard to craft some kind of narrative trying to convince us she has repeated poor decision making (a bad quality for a President). Are you trying to do that because the other, more likely scenario, is the reality she’s willing tool for Russia?
she went to a dinner hosted by one of the few networks that didn’t try to ice her out of politics, and while she was there, putin sat at the table for a few moments.
Can I ask what the event in question was? I’ve legitimately not heard of this before, but I’d not heard of Putin attending any sort of event in the US before, at least not in any recent history.
The ruling parties love to smear the Greens on this side of the pond too, unfortunately. This fact inspires a chuckle any time I hear a Democrat or Republican talking about ‘democracy’. They’re like American Christians talking about how much they care about religious freedom.
The Greens on the USA side of the pond do a great job of smearing themselves.
Here’s the US Green Party 2024 Presidential candidate Jill Stein having dinner with Vladimir Putin, members of Putin’s senior staff, and self admitted registered foreign agent for the Turkish government, Michael Flynn.
That’s normal, Mr Putin seems to be living rent-free in the heads of quite a lot of Americans and Europeans.
The critical issue with the US greens is their pathetic efforts in local organizing and their overvaluing of the presidency. Instead of trying to build power from the ground up like the DSA, they throw most of their efforts behind doomed campaigns that do nothing for anyone. Besides, the only way a party can win the presidency is by replacing another in the duopoly.
Exactly. If there were 30 greens in the house of Representatives and 10 green senators, suddenly they’d be able to actually push policies. And to get there they’d need to demonstrate electability in smaller elections.
I’m a fan of Nader, I’m sad he was never president. But if he couldn’t even come in second place in the best third party run since the whigs collapsed it’s time to stop focusing on the presidency and start trying something else.
No the entire point of the green party in the US is to siphon left leaning voters from the Democrats.
When you realize this, the green party in the states makes complete sense.
Yup, unless our electoral systems change it’s mathematically impossible for a 3rd party to do anything but spoil.
she did not have dinner with putin. this is misinformation
You’re looking at the picture. Both Stein and Putin are sitting at the same table. There is food in front of both. Are you claiming the photo is fake? Or are you playing word games where the meal was something like “lunch” instead of “dinner”?
he didn’t eat with them at all. he sat down for a few moments, said nothing to stein, nor she to him, and he got up.
That explanation isn’t helping her cause or that of the Greens. She actively went to a celebration of the Russian state propaganda machine, that is mistake #1. Then, according to you, she made a choice to continue to sit silently a table with Putin. She could have either kept quiet, stood up and removed herself, or she could have exercised some statesmenship and when presented with the President of Russia, challenge him on his policies of invasion of the sovereign country of Ukraine killing its citizens and kidnapping its children in the Donbas.
Instead, according to you, she sat silent.
are you brave enough to berate the president of a despotic oligarchy to his face on his soil? knowing your own countries media won’t even give you a 2 minute spot?
First, I’m not stupid enough to go to Russia to celebrate their propaganda apparatus like she did. Second, I notice you selectively ignored the other option of her just standing up and walking away.
You’re working very hard to craft some kind of narrative trying to convince us she has repeated poor decision making (a bad quality for a President). Are you trying to do that because the other, more likely scenario, is the reality she’s willing tool for Russia?
she speaks out against Russia. there is no world in which she is working for them
Can you explain?
she went to a dinner hosted by one of the few networks that didn’t try to ice her out of politics, and while she was there, putin sat at the table for a few moments.
Can I ask what the event in question was? I’ve legitimately not heard of this before, but I’d not heard of Putin attending any sort of event in the US before, at least not in any recent history.
iirc it was an anniversary of rt (50th maybe?). and it was in Russia.
Isn’t RT state run?… Meaning there’s every reason for Putin to be expected there?
Was this at least before the war in Ukraine, if not the annexation of Crimea?
Steins dinner with Putin was in 2015, so post invasion of Crimea and over a year into Russian “little green men” invading the Donbas.
“We can deny votes to Kamala Harris.”
The American Greens are MAGA supporters. Get your head out of your ass.