• Dremor@lemmy.world
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      For what reason do you think they’d build their HQ there and not far away from the population?

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        The IDF HQ is in central Tel Aviv.

        Hell, forget the ME, the Greek army HQ is next to a metro station. The Canadian Army HQ is in central Ottawa. Indian army HQ in downtown New Delhi.

        This is not the own that the “human shields” narrative for Lebanon wants it to be.

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          If you take a look at it, you’d realize it is tall, and far from any habitation. And in a military base. If is was attacked, there would be little risks of civilian collateral damages. Sure, it is in central Tel Aviv on paper, but more because the city grew around it than because it was deliberately put there.

          I couldn’t find anything about the Greek army HQ, care to provide a link?

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            Here you go: https://maps.app.goo.gl/M4uFig4YF5PL8Zp56

            Edit: the line between “it happened organically through urban growth” and “was put there on purpose” is the line between “I like them” and “I don’t like them”. Like who you like but don’t expect everyone to buy into your narrative.

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              Funny since I’m rather pro palestinian, but let’s go with it.

              I take into account that I don’t know a lot of things as I’m not some sort of omnipotent being.

              Here is the data I got :

              On the Hezbollah, as they don’t have an habit of documenting their bases (for obvious reason), all I know is that it was in a densely inhabited area, and reportedly underground.
              So either it was built before this zone became densely populated, or it was built on a later date, knowing the area was densely inhabited.
              Either way, it is either negligence, if they allowed the population to encroach on what should be considered a military area, or knowingly, to use the population as shield. Unfortunately they are against an army that don’t care about killing innocents, so that was of no use.

              On the IDF side, according to Wikipedia, Camp Rabin is used as the IDF headquarters since 1948, at that time it was still an agricultural settlement in the periphery of Tel Aviv. This was seized from a Christian community, reportedly because they where nazi sympathizers, and they used to create the IDF HQ there.

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      Oh is this what we’re doing this week? Pretending Hezbollah are good guys? Why aren’t you calling out Hezbollah for using civilians as human shields if that’s the case?

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        This isn’t the movies there is not good and bad guys The real world is not black and white.

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        If someone use a human as a shield does that mean its okay to kill the human shield to get to the terrorist?

        I mean in a similar vein, that is like killing all the hostages in a robbery and then saying “nobody is condemning the robbers for hiding behind other humans”

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        We can’t call out people for an accusation you can’t really prove. Unless you’re arguing that all militaries and militias should have all of their combatant and non-combatant agencies away from the population centers they have to defend.

        Not a single rocket fired into Israel has been from Beirut.

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      How come these terrorist fuckwads surround themselves with women and children when they’re being hunted by the IDF? Easy solution to not being killed, don’t be a terrorist, and don’t hang out with terrorists. Boom easy

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        Odd, you’re using terrorist fuckwads and IDF as if they’re two separate things?

        Also the Kirya is located in a residential area, I’m guessing you’re in favour of Tel Aviv being bombed?

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        Heaven forbid a human have a family! Just because they are terrorists doesn’t mean they’re not people like the rest of us.

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      This actually reminds me of that modified hellfire the US made in which they basically removed the explosives and installed a metal slug with blades, which they used to kill Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders in the last few years in Afghanistan.

      The idea being that the kinetic warhead would greatly reduce the collateral and allow pinpoint precision on targets in a dense area.

      Of course Israel could never. They decided to go with fitting bombs onto pagers & walkie talkies, and their age old strategy of leveling entire buildings hoping the target is inside. Gotta win that maximum civilian death trophy at any cost.