Yeah and I haven’t done any of those things. I made a pretty clear distinction between the subjects under a government and the government itself, i.e. people who live in Canada/America/wherever vs the Canadian/America/wherever government.
You are making broad assumptions about the entire country of people which happens to be full of “Canadians” from different cultures. You assume anyone who isn’t from a country attacked by the US (Which Canada currently is) does not get a say in the matter, and include everyone who isn’t Indigenous or “Living in the inner city”. (Racist, as I know who you are referencing here. Note: Many people from different backgrounds live in the “inner city” with many different experiences regardless of cultural origin.)
You ignore the fact that I am also from a visible minority group and lump me in with a group you know nothing about knowing nothing about me.
If hating the Canadian government is bigotry then bigotry is a toothless concept that needs to be dispensed with…but obviously, hating the Canadian government is not bigotry. It’s an emotional continuation of a principled objection to all nations rooted in the anarchist tradition of anti-nationalist libertarian socialism. Hating the cultural institutions invented by the Canadian government isn’t bigotry either. Again, it is an emotional continuation of a principled objection to nationalism, in particular the cultural assimilation
How do you feel about Indigenous Government structures?
You also aren’t “hating on the Government” alone. You act as though Canada and Canadians don’t have a unique culture and should be shamed for being proud of it. Yet you seem to think that people under other Governments, with other cultures, get more of a say in any conversation and should be proud of their cultures.
My people conquered and were conquered. We now have our own country after gaining independence from the Ottoman empire. Should my ancestral homeland be abolished?
Actually, my argument is closer to “it is bigotry NOT to reject national governments and their cultural assimilation.” Because these national governments assimilate whatever cultures they can distill into something acceptable for capitalism, and brutally destroy anyone who can’t or won’t be assimilated. THAT is bigotry.
In Canada we celebrate cultural days from all over the world. We have diasporas from all over the world. Everyone of them is as Canadian as the next, and we celebrate our cultural differences here.
Stop projecting your countries behavior on mine.
Like there’s this distinct sense that you came into this conversation to dunk on “dumb Americans” for being a “big dumb patriot in dumb USA why don’t you just leave” and you didn’t expect to be dealing to someone to your left because literally everyone in America is a conservative no exceptions allowed and literally no one is paying attention. Pay no mind to the LA anti-ICE protests and even the shitlib-controlled No Kings protests where about 1% of the population turned up (which is actually huge for protests!).
Nope. I came into this thread specifically to share a warning about your country.
Considering you are too lazy to scroll up:
The US is not safe to travel to and you do not have a legitimate reason to travel there now. Keep this in your mind regardless of what reason you think contradicts this. It is not safe.
It also doesn’t matter if you are left or right because “dumb Americans” make up about 75% of your countries population. (21% are clinically illiterate, while a staggering 54% read at or below a 6th grade level making them functionally illiterate)
This leads to a massive problem when both sides of your political spectrum are clinically or functionally illiterate and unable to understand their own points.
And since you’re usually dunking on Americans, who often are actual bigots, as a Canadian in a marginally less shit society, your brain goes “Yeah this dude is American so he must be a bigot, call him a bigot, that’ll show him.”
I call a bigot when I see a bigot. I too have bigoted views that I accept and work to operate against. When you are being bigoted you will be called out for it. This includes bigotry towards people of European decent.
You aren’t debating me. You’re dunking on this abstract idea of a generic American but writing it in prose with the length and cadence of a serious debate.
I am not debating you, and it isn’t because of an abstract generic idea. It is 100% because you don’t have a real argument, and are being a bigot.
And to be clear: I love dunking on my fellow Americans. I really do. We need to be put in our fucking place from time to time…all the fucking time really.
You keep saying “dunking on” when it really is just “stating objective facts based on observation and data”.
If you feel “dunked on” that might be a sign for self reflection.
What I don’t appreciate is debating under false pretenses. It was really that first remark about racism where I knew what this conversation was: you were debating the generic American, not me, because it’s obvious to anyone with a pulse that I had said nothing even remotely racist or controversial in the snippet you quoted.
Nope. It was all based on what you said. If you don’t see it, that is on you not me.
Like you have every right to be mad at America and Americans but maybe don’t dunk on Americans when they’re trying to express their disdain for the things you claim to be against. Like I 1000% support an America boycott, not coming to America, not working with Americans, fuck us and fuck all our shit, but you gotta understand that 100% purely perfect boycotting of America is not possible for people who were born here. It’s not even a remotely controversial position. To deny this is to deny material reality.
To deny the fact that people from countries with real safety issues for the vast majority of the population don’t have a choice to “ride it out”. They were born there, had far less resources than you, and still fled for safety.
People accuse anarchists of black and white thinking but it’s you who’s thinking in black and white, specifically that it is easy for all Americans to leave America and that anymore who doesn’t leave wants to be here and agrees with all or even any of the oppression that the US government has planned for the world.
You can leave, fix your shit, or shut up about it when people impacted by your country are speaking. As I have already said.
And usually I don’t keep hammering people like this but…come on…I know you’re a debate lord. You’re usually on the other side of this interaction…so it’s a chance to understand how it feels to be on the other side. (And also maybe I have important shit to do that I’m too anxious to do right now 😆.)
Not one word of this is true.
And you started all this over an extremely tame joke which, while literally going against the literal text of your first comment, clearly does not show support for the American empire or even diminish the correct anti-American critique you started with. I even gave you an out in the second comment where you could have said nothing or been like “well maybe I was a bit harsh”.
Maybe don’t make jokes under a warning about peoples safety as a person who is partly responsible for aforementioned lack of safety. I also clearly stated why I proceeded the way I did. You didn’t have to keep going but you did. I am responsible for my end, and you yours. It is on you just as much as me that we are here.
All of this say: even if you were right, you’re kind of being a jerk in your comment history. Not just to me, but to basically everyone you’ve interacted with lately. Not saying you are a jerk because I don’t know you, but you’re being a jerk. And if I wasn’t such an insufferable jerk myself, I would have probably just told you that directly and moved on with my life. Game recognizes game 😆.
The delivery of information doesn’t change whether it is correct or not. I have not been a jerk to basically everyone who I have interacted with, but I would love to see you waste your time by providing a chart that demonstrates me being an unwarranted jerk to the majority of people over 1.23k comments and 20 posts.
This shouldn’t be too hard since you are already balls deep in my account. I expect it by the end of the week or your fired.
Yeah I have lotsa bullshit to reflect on because I’m an extremely flawed human. Again, my post/comment history proves I have a lot of shit to work on, and I don’t pretend otherwise. Now you know that you do too.
I never once claimed to be perfect, and I would be willing to bet big money on the fact that I am working harder on myself than the average person to be a better person daily.
Honestly, the fact that you are trying to pretend I didn’t tell you my background in an attempt to prove whatever point you are trying to make about me is humourous.
Enjoy the last word, and I highly recommend you educate yourself on my country before ever talking shit again.