I have to say I don’t get this. They keep trying again and again but to what end. There’s no way this will change anything. The navy will intercept them, maybe kill some people in the process, dump the food and sent them back home. It all feels like a huge waste of manpower, resources and time.
But by this point I’m wondering if Greta feels like she’s achieving much with the make noise strategy. I feel like that could work in a world that cares which ours increasingly is not that. She could attain more by going into politics for example. But dying in the sea on her way to a brick wall would be a huge loss that I can’t follow the logic of.
Right but my point is that they already did this and nothing changed. Everyone who cares to know knows already and everyone else doesn’t care. Actions speak louder than words and the world has already spoken even if any decent person is against it, this won’t change anything anymore.
just by saying they’re going, they’ve made israel state publicly that they will be treated like terrorists when caught. if israel does treat non-violent nationals of “allied” countries like that, they’ve officially burned quite a few bridges.
Yeah, if the bully keeps beating your friends up, and they are way stronger… Why try to stop them?
Politics is a great idea. Maybe if she was a Minister in her home country of Sweden she could draft a formal letter of disapproval! That works really well for the US Democrats.
It’s best to not make any figurative or literal waves. Best to stay in one’s lane.
As I said in another comment there is politics at EU level and my argument is not against making waves, it’s about taking the conservation to where it hurts more for the politicians that don’t act. Making waves is very much a viable option since it’s been a recent staple of some politicians.
Again this is my opinion, everyone who cares about it already knows beyond a shadow of a doubt what this is, everyone else will continue to attempt confusion and deny it until theres no living resident in Gaza. I disagree that this particular action would change anything in terms of anyone’s perception on the lies.
I already did in broad terms. I would target politics, start a party or movement, grab power, votes and influence, take the helm and actually enact policy and put pressure where it hurts. Even this flotilla would make a lot more sense if it would be a marketing stunt to gain something else, but it really does seem to be limited to exposure which is not enough, everyone already knows the tragedy that is happening and yet those who can actually decide have said time and time again we can all get fucked.
There are parties and ministers and multiple institutions at european union level that drive conversations and can put a lot more pressure on the rest of the world than any single private individual.
What Greta is doing is a political act, it raises global awareness, which puts pressure on politicians to act or risk losing their offices to folks who will.
I guess the root issue with this is that they don’t act and if they lose their office to someone else those people also don’t act, at least not in the interest of the people. So we would need someone who actually acts instead of just talks and promises and I feel like Greta would be one of those people.
Don’t get me wrong I would love to see her run for office. I think it would need to be something with authority though to do as much good as she is now.
Like Prime Minister or whatever they call the top position in her country.
Even if she didn’t win, she could move the needle a lot.
But that’s just one country, what she’s doing now moves the hearts and minds of folks globally.
I already did in broad terms. I would target politics, start a party or movement, grab power, votes and influence, take the helm and actually enact policy and put pressure where it hurts.
These activists must be really stupid to put their life at risk when they can simply win elections, grab power and change policies…
I have to say I don’t get this. They keep trying again and again but to what end. There’s no way this will change anything. The navy will intercept them, maybe kill some people in the process, dump the food and sent them back home. It all feels like a huge waste of manpower, resources and time.
But by this point I’m wondering if Greta feels like she’s achieving much with the make noise strategy. I feel like that could work in a world that cares which ours increasingly is not that. She could attain more by going into politics for example. But dying in the sea on her way to a brick wall would be a huge loss that I can’t follow the logic of.
My guess is it’s a form of highly visible and publicized protest.
The fact that you now know about this event and who is involved and talking about it here proves they have been successful.
They don’t really care if the food arrives or not, they just want you to pay attention to their humanitarian efforts and how it’s being diverted.
Right but my point is that they already did this and nothing changed. Everyone who cares to know knows already and everyone else doesn’t care. Actions speak louder than words and the world has already spoken even if any decent person is against it, this won’t change anything anymore.
Other than muscleing past the Israeli military blockade of Gaza, what else do you suggest should be done?
just by saying they’re going, they’ve made israel state publicly that they will be treated like terrorists when caught. if israel does treat non-violent nationals of “allied” countries like that, they’ve officially burned quite a few bridges.
Yeah, if the bully keeps beating your friends up, and they are way stronger… Why try to stop them?
Politics is a great idea. Maybe if she was a Minister in her home country of Sweden she could draft a formal letter of disapproval! That works really well for the US Democrats.
It’s best to not make any figurative or literal waves. Best to stay in one’s lane.
As I said in another comment there is politics at EU level and my argument is not against making waves, it’s about taking the conservation to where it hurts more for the politicians that don’t act. Making waves is very much a viable option since it’s been a recent staple of some politicians.
It makes it undeniably obvious that the point is genocide. It points out Israel’s blatant lies in a way that no breathing human can deny.
Again this is my opinion, everyone who cares about it already knows beyond a shadow of a doubt what this is, everyone else will continue to attempt confusion and deny it until theres no living resident in Gaza. I disagree that this particular action would change anything in terms of anyone’s perception on the lies.
Go ahead and explain to us a better way
I already did in broad terms. I would target politics, start a party or movement, grab power, votes and influence, take the helm and actually enact policy and put pressure where it hurts. Even this flotilla would make a lot more sense if it would be a marketing stunt to gain something else, but it really does seem to be limited to exposure which is not enough, everyone already knows the tragedy that is happening and yet those who can actually decide have said time and time again we can all get fucked.
Politics where? The United States? Israel? Who has the power to do anything at all about this?
She’d have to literally become the President of the United States, which is literally impossible since she was born in Sweden.
There are parties and ministers and multiple institutions at european union level that drive conversations and can put a lot more pressure on the rest of the world than any single private individual.
There’s politics and establishment politics.
What Greta is doing is a political act, it raises global awareness, which puts pressure on politicians to act or risk losing their offices to folks who will.
I guess the root issue with this is that they don’t act and if they lose their office to someone else those people also don’t act, at least not in the interest of the people. So we would need someone who actually acts instead of just talks and promises and I feel like Greta would be one of those people.
Don’t get me wrong I would love to see her run for office. I think it would need to be something with authority though to do as much good as she is now.
Like Prime Minister or whatever they call the top position in her country.
Even if she didn’t win, she could move the needle a lot.
But that’s just one country, what she’s doing now moves the hearts and minds of folks globally.
These activists must be really stupid to put their life at risk when they can simply win elections, grab power and change policies…