• Joncash2@lemmy.ml
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    11 hours ago

    Again, this is in the context of Obama’s pivot to Asia. China sees what your saying as excuses and wants the EU to prove their not just following US orders. Which you’ve said over and over again they won’t decouple so China doesn’t believe them.

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      11 hours ago

      Well, things were slightly better before COVID, after that, the EU decided to derisk, because trust in China actually decreased across the board. In other words, the US is not as untrustworthy as China…yet.

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        11 hours ago

        Ok well we are talking in the context of if true then EU should x. Well it’s only true if the EU continues to want to confront China. China is simply saying that’s up to you

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          11 hours ago

          yeah…really puts the maga view of Europe of “pathetic freeloaders” into context…I just don’t believe that leaving the US would make Europe safe. On the contrary. I actually fear a grand bargain to finally destroy liberal democracy between idiot dealmaker trump and rising power Xi. Their interests are aligned in this respect: as long as it exists anywhere, liberal democracy is a threat to their political projects.

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            10 hours ago

            Well, this puts us well out of the realm of is what China saying evil, it’s not it’s just telling the EU to choose. And instead into the realm of grand strategy of nations. I would love to continue the conversation, but this will be rife with opinions and wild inaccuracies. I don’t agree with what your saying but for me to explain would be long, as well as I can’t be sure I am right.