• Joncash2@lemmy.ml
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    8 hours ago

    China’s just talking about stopping Russia. Which the EU keeps saying it’s the top priority. They’re willing to spend billions to do it. China’s saying you can save all that money, totally your choice. It’s easy for me.

    Edit see we are talking about different clarity. Europe has none. China has all of it.

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      7 hours ago

      Do you understand why the EU considers this a top priority? Hint: it is not about Ukraine’s land or NATO/EU membership.

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          No, it’s russia. The whole point of NATO is russia. russia needs to have its invincibility myth shattered and imperialist tendencies restrained (Merkel tried this with trade and failed) by learning that they wasted millions of people and gained nothing. This is a hard learned lesson by most EU countries and is the glue of the EU. If the EU loses this, the lesson is that pacifism is a losing strategy and russia will just learn that war pays, so they will regroup and return for more in a generation.

          The US should have learned this too from Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan…and they do appear wary of starting new wars…even the neofascists.

          China…has a lot of nationalists, but so far has focussed on trade…hasn’t started any wars…fine with he EU. Could be a good partner to fight climate change, because the US and russia will never abandon their precious fossil fuels.

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            6 hours ago

            Oh God that’s a lot of words that China doesn’t care about. If you tell China that China’s next after Russia, yeah China’s gonna help Russia. Seems obvious. Why should China care why NATO?

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              6 hours ago

              By humiliating and pushing out the pacifists, you ensure that there will be war. That’s it. The US is doing it, russia is doing it, China apparently also wants to do it, why not.

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                6 hours ago

                Really? You call a person literally threatening China and now sitting across the table a pacifist? You got a weird definition there buddy. I’ll take the side of the country that hasn’t been involved in a conflict for over 40 years.

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                  Yeah, nobody in the EU is going to war with China, but its tech dominance (as the US’s) poses a challenge to how the countries organize themselves. You confuse The EU with the west, but if the US abandoned NATO, would China abandon russia? I don’t think so. So China’s backstop of russia is a direct threat to the EU, whereas the EU is not direct threat to China without going through the US.

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                    6 hours ago

                    Did you not understand, that’s exactly the offer China is giving the EU in this statement. Abandon the US and we can talk about abandoning Russia.