A) It’s not illegal. It’s a dog, it’s a valid meat source in most regions of the world.
B) You’re severely misunderstanding (or were made to misunderstand) China’s LGBT stance. You can be gay in public (hell Chongqing would be under martial law if that were illegal), you cannot make pornography. That’s the only rule, and that also applies to straight content. The only LGBT crackdowns that have happened have been porn crack downs that happened to include, not specifically target just include, LGBT content creators.
There’s more openly gay people in China than there are gay people in the entire Western world bro.
No, they can just legally join in partnership and have all of the same government incentives as married people… They just don’t call it marriage since marriage is for incentivizing procreation.
And let’s live in the alternate reality you’re talking about for a minute. Can two straight people get married in China with no intention of procreation? Can two gay people get married if they’re planning to adopt? Can they even adopt? Come on man, I get being wrong, but don’t double down on it.
And let’s live in the alternate reality you’re talking about for a minute
We’ve been in reality for quite a bit.
Can two straight people get married in China with no intention of procreation?
It’d be really, really weird culturally and a huge risk most aren’t willing to take. Also if you’re a straight foreigner marrying a chinese national your application will almost certainly be denied if you state you’re not willing to have kids, since that’ll be seen as a fake marriage trying to gain Chinese spousal residency.
Can two gay people get married if they’re planning to adopt?
Since they can enter into a mutual guardianship and adopt yes? You people get tripped up on the word ‘Marriage’ way too much. A rephrasing would be can two gay people cohabitate, share full financial resources, get tax breaks, and adopt? Sure. Can they get ‘married’? No. The difference is entirely without substance at this point, but because Stalin was so incredibly anti-gay, we’re still suffering through the lasting ‘but that’s not the right way’ nonsense cultural war he started so you can’t call it marriage.
Can they even adopt?
Yes.
Come on man, I get being wrong, but don’t double down on it.
I live here half the year, dumbass. You are objectively the incorrect one, in anything you say about China.
Would two gay men in guardianship refer to each other as their ‘husband’ (i.e. the word that a heterosexual couple would use), or is there a different word for it? Not trying to be argumentative just curious how closely guardianship is culturally associated with marriage.
It entirely depends on the couple and region, 老公 (basically husband, most commonly heard between long time girlfriends to their boyfriends) is common enough to count, but 情人 can and is also used, which is closer to ‘lover’ but is used for any type of close intimate relationship including cishet married couples.
Nope Guardianship is available country-wide (I can’t find an english language document that goes into more recent updates which allow property and tax breaks.) Beijing, Hong Kong, and the entire province of Taiwan all recognize marriages from outside of china though, which is where that gets confused.
Unfortunately the overall chinese public isn’t really up to voting for more explicitly stated parity of rights due to a lack of educational push in that direction, which is compounded by the general public’s lack of interest, and so on.
Nope, that’s categorically false in every possible way, even if we’re being pedantic. For the sake of informing those who might have been misled by this (since I have little doubt you’re being intentionally disingenuous as campists often are) Here’s a couple relevant excerpts from the Wikipedia article on LGBTQ rights in China:
[LGBTQ] people in the People’s Republic of China (PRC) face legal and social challenges that are not experienced by non-LGBTQ residents. While both male and female same-sex sexual activity are legal, same-sex couples are currently unable to marry or adopt, and households headed by such couples are ineligible for the same legal protections available to heterosexual couples. No explicit anti-discrimination protections for LGBTQ people are present in its legal system, nor do hate crime laws cover sexual orientation or gender identity.
Under Chinese Communist Party (CCP) general secretary Xi Jinping, LGBTQ venues and events have been forced to shut and LGBTQ rights activists have become subject to greater scrutiny by the country’s system of mass surveillance. The CCP increasingly considers LGBTQ advocacy the work of "foreign forces”. LGBTQ content is censored. Authors of boys’ love works are routinely arrested and criminally prosecuted.
You didn’t, silly. You said being gay isn’t illegal, which sure, is conditionally true, but neither was being a free black person in post-slavery America, and yet we hopefully both know how that demographic was treated then, if not even now.
Besides, my goal isn’t to address something you did before me, but to point out how, intentionally or not, you’re leaving out very important info that lays out the mis-or-disinformative nature of your point. You can’t talk about the quality of a book if you’ve only read a single chapter.
Anyway, feel free to continue implying something along the lines of me being on the payroll of the all-powerful capitalist oligarchs of the world or something. It’ll really help your point.
Feel free to engage with the conversation if you believe that any of my counter claims are wrong. Breaking community and lemmy.world global rules isn’t a smart way to do that.
you didn’t say “except in some provinces”, therefore your first little white lie
North Korea allows voting, and in the USA it’s legal to criticize Trump in front of ICE. Most people will get the point I’m making with that, but I’m sure it’ll go over your head.
“except in some regions of the world” covers that in my opinion, and honestly I forgot that foreigners pressured the local governments in a couple of places to ban dog meat after covid. This covers less than 10% of the Chinese population, and isn’t relevant to the story, but at least this is an actual criticism this time. Congrats.
Except unlike your Trump example, I’ve actually provided evidence the propaganda your masters told you to believe is wrong. The ban is on pornography. Yes China had an anti-lgbt period that it’s still getting over in the public consciousness, which is a serious topic that needs actual nuance and good faith attempts at understanding to discuss, and I’m happy to go into that to educate you if you would like as it’s actually super interesting. What does not happen is the boogeyman tracking down gay people in their own homes doing gay things.
The official stance held by the central government and all city and province governments is “gay people are people, why discriminate like the west does”
Because it’s not relevant to this or any other discussion and we’ll never agree on anything related to North Korea if you cannot even accept easily verifiable facts that go against your owners’ narrative on China.
I like how y’all always try to sound serious and with dEcOrUm but the bs is so strong it’s pretty obvious to most people on sight lol. It was just as relevant as the US example.
Hey, here’s another good one
What’s your opinion on the war Russia started against Ukraine?
Maybe china should focus its governmental might on stopping illegal meat butchers instead of stopping gay people from using public spaces.
A) It’s not illegal. It’s a dog, it’s a valid meat source in most regions of the world.
B) You’re severely misunderstanding (or were made to misunderstand) China’s LGBT stance. You can be gay in public (hell Chongqing would be under martial law if that were illegal), you cannot make pornography. That’s the only rule, and that also applies to straight content. The only LGBT crackdowns that have happened have been porn crack downs that happened to include, not specifically target just include, LGBT content creators.
There’s more openly gay people in China than there are gay people in the entire Western world bro.
Looks inside
So the definition of systemic homophobia. Not even the bare minimum.
No, they can just legally join in partnership and have all of the same government incentives as married people… They just don’t call it marriage since marriage is for incentivizing procreation.
People would do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?
https://legalclarity.org/is-gay-marriage-legal-in-china-rights-and-options/
And let’s live in the alternate reality you’re talking about for a minute. Can two straight people get married in China with no intention of procreation? Can two gay people get married if they’re planning to adopt? Can they even adopt? Come on man, I get being wrong, but don’t double down on it.
We’ve been in reality for quite a bit.
It’d be really, really weird culturally and a huge risk most aren’t willing to take. Also if you’re a straight foreigner marrying a chinese national your application will almost certainly be denied if you state you’re not willing to have kids, since that’ll be seen as a fake marriage trying to gain Chinese spousal residency.
Since they can enter into a mutual guardianship and adopt yes? You people get tripped up on the word ‘Marriage’ way too much. A rephrasing would be can two gay people cohabitate, share full financial resources, get tax breaks, and adopt? Sure. Can they get ‘married’? No. The difference is entirely without substance at this point, but because Stalin was so incredibly anti-gay, we’re still suffering through the lasting ‘but that’s not the right way’ nonsense cultural war he started so you can’t call it marriage.
Yes.
I live here half the year, dumbass. You are objectively the incorrect one, in anything you say about China.
Would two gay men in guardianship refer to each other as their ‘husband’ (i.e. the word that a heterosexual couple would use), or is there a different word for it? Not trying to be argumentative just curious how closely guardianship is culturally associated with marriage.
It entirely depends on the couple and region, 老公 (basically husband, most commonly heard between long time girlfriends to their boyfriends) is common enough to count, but 情人 can and is also used, which is closer to ‘lover’ but is used for any type of close intimate relationship including cishet married couples.
I had thougt that was limited to certain cities?
Nope Guardianship is available country-wide (I can’t find an english language document that goes into more recent updates which allow property and tax breaks.) Beijing, Hong Kong, and the entire province of Taiwan all recognize marriages from outside of china though, which is where that gets confused.
Unfortunately the overall chinese public isn’t really up to voting for more explicitly stated parity of rights due to a lack of educational push in that direction, which is compounded by the general public’s lack of interest, and so on.
Chinese propaganda detected
Ah yes, the chinese propaganda of 209 countries and the UN all being in agreement.
Nope, that’s categorically false in every possible way, even if we’re being pedantic. For the sake of informing those who might have been misled by this (since I have little doubt you’re being intentionally disingenuous
as campists often are) Here’s a couple relevant excerpts from the Wikipedia article on LGBTQ rights in China:Yup this underlines what i meant very well, especially the excerpt from wikipedia.
I already addressed this but good try little buddy. I hope they’re giving you overtime pay.
You didn’t, silly. You said being gay isn’t illegal, which sure, is conditionally true, but neither was being a free black person in post-slavery America, and yet we hopefully both know how that demographic was treated then, if not even now.
Besides, my goal isn’t to address something you did before me, but to point out how, intentionally or not, you’re leaving out very important info that lays out the mis-or-disinformative nature of your point. You can’t talk about the quality of a book if you’ve only read a single chapter.
Anyway, feel free to continue implying something along the lines of me being on the payroll of the all-powerful capitalist oligarchs of the world or something. It’ll really help your point.
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Feel free to engage with the conversation if you believe that any of my counter claims are wrong. Breaking community and lemmy.world global rules isn’t a smart way to do that.
Claims made:
Dog meat isn’t illegal, except in some provinces.
Being LGBT publicly isn’t illegal.
Which also includes linked to the claims about Chongqing, since it’s incredibly well known (along with Chengdu, of course.)
The only LGBT crackdowns that have happened have been porn crack downs that happened to include, not specifically target just include, LGBT content creators.
you didn’t say “except in some provinces”, therefore your first little white lie
North Korea allows voting, and in the USA it’s legal to criticize Trump in front of ICE. Most people will get the point I’m making with that, but I’m sure it’ll go over your head.
“except in some regions of the world” covers that in my opinion, and honestly I forgot that foreigners pressured the local governments in a couple of places to ban dog meat after covid. This covers less than 10% of the Chinese population, and isn’t relevant to the story, but at least this is an actual criticism this time. Congrats.
Except unlike your Trump example, I’ve actually provided evidence the propaganda your masters told you to believe is wrong. The ban is on pornography. Yes China had an anti-lgbt period that it’s still getting over in the public consciousness, which is a serious topic that needs actual nuance and good faith attempts at understanding to discuss, and I’m happy to go into that to educate you if you would like as it’s actually super interesting. What does not happen is the boogeyman tracking down gay people in their own homes doing gay things.
The official stance held by the central government and all city and province governments is “gay people are people, why discriminate like the west does”
Lol I like how you completely ignored I mentioned North Korea too. Guess it’s because it’s also Tankie land
Because it’s not relevant to this or any other discussion and we’ll never agree on anything related to North Korea if you cannot even accept easily verifiable facts that go against your owners’ narrative on China.
And there it is 😂
I like how y’all always try to sound serious and with dEcOrUm but the bs is so strong it’s pretty obvious to most people on sight lol. It was just as relevant as the US example.
Hey, here’s another good one
What’s your opinion on the war Russia started against Ukraine?
Facts. Hmm… no getting around them sometimes?