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      24 hours ago

      All communism?

      Soviet communism was a disaster. Chinese communism works but is authoritarian. Israeli kibbutzes are pretty-much communism.

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        All communism?

        Yeah, seems so.

        Chinese communism works but is authoritarian.

        From the POV of a communist I’m sure there’s a lot more in chinese communism to critique than just the authoritarianism. Like the existence of a billionaire class, private ownership of means of production, lack of independent labor unions, pretty high income inequality, market economy, and pretty western-looking consumerism. I mean it’s pretty much like USA if USA only had one political party.

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          I’m not advocating for the Chinese approach or for communism at all. My point about China is that it has improved living standards (pretty spectacularly) while others have failed.

          If I could choose anything it would be like scandi-social-democracy, but with stronger controls on corporate and personal greed. I’d make hoarding wealth while others suffer socially unnaceptable.

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        “Socialism with Chinese characteristics” is just capitalism with extra steps and a red paint job.

        If you’re talking about the Mao Zedong era, that was also a disaster but at least they did try to run the country according to communist principles. They were just very bad at it.