America
- Good pay
- Bigger Houses
- Free internet
- Not an ethnostate
- Nice/open people
- Nice Nature
- Public Respect (somewhat)
- While the chances are low, shootings and police/ICE violence is not 0%
- Universities, really good if not best (as an academic)
China
- Clean, Major cities are clean but more polluted and trashed than other two
- Ethnostate, forever an outsider
- Increasingly difficult internet.
- Nice/open people
- Safe Society
- Universities, pretty mid to bad at best unless its top
Japan
- Cleanest
- Ethnostate, forever an outsider, but not being stared at or random photos like in China
- Free internet
- Nice Nature
- Public Trust
- Public Respect
- Safe Society
- Universities, pretty mid to bad at best unless its top three
I feel forever trapped between these three countries with family, languages, culture, and religion. Very lost on which to pursue for my career. A recent trip to China has made me very much feel not China. I cannot stand the staring, photo taking making me feel like I’m a zoo animal, even more so for my child. But it is nice and pay can be decent. I also really like Chinese people and culture.
America has a lot of good, but I’m so sick of having to be stressed about its politics and the culture of violence. I do love the nature, individual freedom, and academic (tho the recent not being able to comment on Israel has been insane).
Japan is great on the surface but subtle racism, bad pay, and trump-copy cat prime minister is concerning. Committing to China or especially Japan over the US is fucking my family financially if we want to visit family in the other two countries.
Side note, I love being fluid between three cultures but not having a stable home in one place is somewhat exhausting.
Another random thought is America is actually so comfortable compared to China or Japan when it comes to being yourself.
Edit: why is everyone being pedantic or getting upset over one word rather than just answer lmao
This might have been easier in the past but honestly as bad as the us is Im not sure anywhere in the world is safe from where the world seems to be going. Im not sure what pay you will be pulling down but I know I have never felt comfortable enough financially to visit anywhere abroad as a us person. Large part is having to be ready to handle being unemployed every so often and the other is healthcare costs.
Why ask this question when you clearly have decided that China is bad and America is great? If you want to go to America so bad just do it there’s no need to ask inane questions and fight people giving you answers and advice.
American here who just immigrated to Japan with my Japanese spouse and mixed child 2 months ago. We left for our family’s safety, and are very happy with the decision.
I will say though: if you don’t have any Japanese family members moving with you, living in Japan can be very difficult. I have JLPT N1 certification, have lived and worked here for 6 years previously, and am very comfortable speaking/reading/writing Japanese, but I wouldn’t try to live here long term without my spouse… it’s just… tough. People here have never been terribly welcoming of non-Japanese, and with the recent surge in popularity of the openly anti-immigrant Sanseito party (gained 13 seats in the upper house last year), it’s not looking great for us foreigners here.
Still, for US, this felt like the safer option compared to the states right now.
I know this isn’t a cut and clear answer to your question, but just hoping I can provide some context from personal experience to help you make an educated decision for own unique situation.
Thanks for sharing your own experience! :)
That’s kind of my own feeling… Japan has some difficulties but its safer than the states…
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Leaving out the fact that America’s economy is in freefall and it’s currently experiencing a fascist collapse is…a choice.
Economy goes up and down in every country. Choosing where to live forever doesn’t require looking at the economy for the past two weeks. Up higher than ever before than. Also, I clearly mention the stressful American and Japanese political situations.
Are you adding anything?
“Economies go up and down, it doesn’t matter.”
Is probably the least politically and economically conscious thing you could have said.
Are you paying attention AT ALL to what’s currently going on in the world? Or do you just not give a shit?
Did you miss the fascist takeover part? Just go move to Russia or something.
Just responded to that… your comment isn’t adding anything
Yes it is, don’t move to the US unless you’re a fascist.
While I agree moving to the US right now is extremely stupid and dangerous, ESPECIALLY while ICE is bored and prowling our airports and OP seems to be absolutely unaware of the world around them to a dangerous degree, I have to ask:
Are you THE Poem_for_your_sprog and why aren’t your posts in wonderful, whimsical poem form???
Uhh where the hell in america you getting free internet? Not a thing. $70 a month for 200 Mbps.
America is way too huge to make a generalization on the people but I’ll tell you on the non-coasts, youll run into hick racist assholes. But its cheap to live in those areas.
The landscapes are awesome on the west side.
I wouldnt move here since its about to experience a full collapse with many jobs being lost and a full on acceleration to fascism. Most people want to get out of America, not move in lol.
70 usd for 200 mbps? Local isp’s here in Brazil are charging 20 usd for 600 mbps, 30 usd for 1 gbps.
Yay american corporatism 😁
Its plenty enough for me though tbh.
Amazing how America propagandizes other countries as being “not free and poor” when its us who are the shithhole country !
I meant free as in not blocked like in China.
Yeah I like the coasts but I do worry about the gov and police…
If I were to move to the US from elsewhere, I’d maybe try Boise Idaho. Kind of expensive to live there tho.
Portland would be nice except there’s crackheads running around the streets. No thanks.
Chicago is cool but again expensive. Could go an hour or 2 out of the city for cheaper.
The Midwest is boring but you can get a house and your own land for cheap. Then get a good long distance car and take road trips.
I think they meant not having a great firewall, which they don’t need since they’ll use military and economic force instead
Oh duh, I see.
Yeah, america is no different than China in military and surveillance. The citizens are just dumber (many WANT surveillance fascism).
Dont move there.
The US Empure has hundreds of millitary bases all over the world. You can count the number of international military bases owned by China on one hand. The US Empire is constantly at war. China hasn’t been to war in many decades. Entirely different.
Disagree with the US not being an ethnostate. If you’re not white, then it does feel like an ethnostate. I was born here, but I’ve always been made to feel that this isn’t my country. I’m a guest here. I’m tolerated (in the blue states), but not welcome. I’m constantly getting news that half the country hates people like me and wants me to leave (again, born here!)
But, uh, yeah, if you’re white or white-passing, then yeah, the US is your ethnostate. 👍
I think you haven’t been to a real ethnostate and felt the difference. Racism in America is no where close to in East Asia sadly.
Definitely felt like a bit of an outsider growing up in the suburbs in the blue states, never worried about violence but my hair was rubbed all the time and stuff because I had an Afro white people really be obsessed with that shit. Regardless in the city I’ve honestly felt way less like that if at all. City is probably more monetarily divided than racially at times but of course those can be somewhat tied together too at least in root cause.
You can actively work on countering the negative effects, so I’d start with just a list of positives. If all the negatives were gone, which country would you choose?
Let’s suppose it’s the USA. You’re uncomfortable there, because of violence and ICE scares, but everything else is fine. You can look at local crime rates, especially gun violence. Find an area/school where these statistics are near-zero. You can mitigate the ICE risk by retaining an immigration lawyer and making sure that all your paperwork is in order.
Make the same type of list with Japan and China. What would you need to do to mitigate the xenophobia/ethnic differences? (Are you already fluent in both languages?)
You also mention finances, which should probably be near the top of the list. Figure out a realistic cost for your entire time at school, then work with your family to understand what’s doable and what stretches them past the breaking point.
Unfortunately, having paperwork in order does not protect you from ICE. They do not care about the law and will abduct you as you are walking into/out of any immigration hearings. They routinely ignore judge’s orders to release people and have no accountability for any harm or damage they cause. Sure, you might get yourself out in a week or two IF you have a good lawyer, but not before they do whatever they want to you in the meantime
This is a really good approach. Thank you!
I will go through it with your take :)
if you stay in a foreign country for 10+ years, your neighbors, shop keepers, etc. will get used to you. but really, the deciding factor in whether anyone can move to a foreign country is the work available to them. if you don’t get a good job, with reasonable hours, probably with an international company, good luck making it work.
Luckily my field has a decent amount of jobs in all three countries with okay pay, better in the US though. You’re right about neighbors. The annoying parts of China don’t happen with neighbors, only randos on the street.
If by America you mean the USA, then totally no. Current hell with government will only worsen there. China seems appealing, but some government policies and language complexity makes it hard to live there until you adapt. Remains only Japan. Despite still having some complicated compared to English language, it is the best option here on my opinion.
Universities, really good if not best (as an academic)
What are you talking about?
The reality that US universities are better than most I’ve worked and studied in. Chinese and Japanese ones are barely comparable.
Your knowledge of the USA seems woefully out of date. Trust me, for your safety, do not consider moving to the United States right now
Then I think you haven’t studied in other countries before. Having studied/conducted research in China, Japan, Malaysia, Taiwan, and Nepal… they all are pretty rough in comparison.
What is your purpose here? All you’ve done is argue with people who warn you to not come to the USA. You’ve been told several times that it is not only dangerous to foreigners, but also to actual natural born citizens, the schools are currently fighting against an anti-intellectualism take over, banning subjects and books that don’t align with Christian beliefs and arresting students that say killing people is wrong. ICE is patrolling airports (where you would come into the country) and arresting anyone who is just a little too dark or just that they feel like arresting. It is not only unsafe for you to come here, it is a bad idea to come here for the academia as well.
All of this you have been ignoring and downplaying and arguing with. If you’re so sure it’s a good idea, then sure, come to the States and pray you don’t get blackbagged and never seen again. It feels like you’re not here to get honest opinions, but just to argue and ignore anything you don’t like
Right now the one I’m in arrested dozens of students for opposing genocide and shut down the student newspaper for supporting said students and has Lockheed Martin embedded in every crevice, and on top of that are enacting other dumb rules like ebike bans and the stuff they teach is like 20 years out of date
Whether the US is the right choice for you probably depends on your skin tone and where you’d be living. If you appear Asian and move to rural Texas, you’re probably gonna have a bad time. If you look Asian but move to somewhere like NYC where there’s more of a melting pot of citizens and currently liberal leadership, it will probably be a better experience.
There is a lot of bad stuff happening here, but it isn’t detrimental (currently) to everyone equally. I personally wouldn’t consider China due to the extreme censorship and heavy handed government, but the US is tracking that way. Japan has its own issues as you mentioned, but I’m not well versed enough to speak on them.
It’s definitely not a clear cut choice and you’ll probably have to eat some shit regardless of your choice. I think the potential is highest in the US for success compared to the other choices, but you could also walk into the wrong store and get arrested by ICE.
If you have to choose between one of those three I think the choice has to be japan assuming you have guaranteed work lined up at all three locations with reasonable pay for the area at least.
That’s what I’m learning towards but I don’t love the bad pay, small houses, trump-like prime minister, and forever not fitting in… but those can be viewed as minor to US or China critiques.
Are you black? Honest question.
