I get it. AI music bad, but let’s step away from the black and white thinking for a second, take off our Lemmy hats and think about a more nuanced approach.
Where do we draw the line with sampling? Where do we draw the line with borrowing from other people’s music? There is no legal protection of chord progressions. Artists are sampling whole songs, they’re sampling musical phrases, melodies and patterns, even recordings of individual notes of instruments.
We don’t know to what extent AI was leveraged to generate the music and lyrics of this song (maybe they wrote lyrics and fed it to a text to speech model, maybe they fed it specific audio to be used), but what we do know is that millions of artists everywhere borrow from and even directly use creative content from other artists.
Obviously, most Gen AI is trained on stolen content, but I’m offering the opportunity to see the potential of AI and music done in an (currently imaginary) ethical way.
Again, where do we draw the line at sampling in music?
I wasn’t wearing my “Lemmy hat”, I was wearing my music production hat. There are a lot of generative music tools out there that do a fairly decent job when part of a mix of tools. You can use some pitch correction and re-voicing tools to keep the vocalist on pitch and change their voice entirely. Instead, I can almost guarantee that they wrote the lyrics and fed them to Suno along with a genre prompt and saved personality. I doubt they bothered to even use the Suno Studio feature. This genuinely sounds like default generative output. It’s lazy, horribly mixed, noisy, and all around minimum effort.
PS: I also have not doubt that the lyrics are also prompt generated.
Music production hat makes you equally resistant to AI usage. With my music production hat on it’s equally difficult to listen to. Super compressed. That noise is ridiculous. The song itself pretty basic. BUT it’s not bad. I’ve heard human make stuff that sounds wayyyyy worse. Obviously it’s stealing from a lot to create something halfway decent. It’s only gonna keep sounding better (think autotune vs melodyne) and/or our ears are going to adjust to this quality of music. As I’m sure you know, music is heavily compressed/limited and way louder than generations past. And loooootts of overproduced artists in the radio. Part of me feels the same way. I’ll never like AI generated music. Then another part of me say, what if it sounds good? Why not? I still listen to MJ sometimes and he diddled kids.
You have a lot of misdirected anger. You’re not even reading my comment. The fight you have is not with me or AI. It’s with how corporations are training their LLM’s.
There is absolutely a way to have ethical generative AI and create music with it. The question was if you still think that’s immoral, but all good if you can’t have that conversation.
I get it. AI music bad, but let’s step away from the black and white thinking for a second, take off our Lemmy hats and think about a more nuanced approach.
Where do we draw the line with sampling? Where do we draw the line with borrowing from other people’s music? There is no legal protection of chord progressions. Artists are sampling whole songs, they’re sampling musical phrases, melodies and patterns, even recordings of individual notes of instruments.
We don’t know to what extent AI was leveraged to generate the music and lyrics of this song (maybe they wrote lyrics and fed it to a text to speech model, maybe they fed it specific audio to be used), but what we do know is that millions of artists everywhere borrow from and even directly use creative content from other artists.
Obviously, most Gen AI is trained on stolen content, but I’m offering the opportunity to see the potential of AI and music done in an (currently imaginary) ethical way.
Again, where do we draw the line at sampling in music?
I wasn’t wearing my “Lemmy hat”, I was wearing my music production hat. There are a lot of generative music tools out there that do a fairly decent job when part of a mix of tools. You can use some pitch correction and re-voicing tools to keep the vocalist on pitch and change their voice entirely. Instead, I can almost guarantee that they wrote the lyrics and fed them to Suno along with a genre prompt and saved personality. I doubt they bothered to even use the Suno Studio feature. This genuinely sounds like default generative output. It’s lazy, horribly mixed, noisy, and all around minimum effort.
PS: I also have not doubt that the lyrics are also prompt generated.
The biggest tell is the exact 2:00 length haha.
Music production hat makes you equally resistant to AI usage. With my music production hat on it’s equally difficult to listen to. Super compressed. That noise is ridiculous. The song itself pretty basic. BUT it’s not bad. I’ve heard human make stuff that sounds wayyyyy worse. Obviously it’s stealing from a lot to create something halfway decent. It’s only gonna keep sounding better (think autotune vs melodyne) and/or our ears are going to adjust to this quality of music. As I’m sure you know, music is heavily compressed/limited and way louder than generations past. And loooootts of overproduced artists in the radio. Part of me feels the same way. I’ll never like AI generated music. Then another part of me say, what if it sounds good? Why not? I still listen to MJ sometimes and he diddled kids.
Samples have to be cleared by the original author to be legally used in a new track
Yeah lol this isn’t new news.
I guess you didn’t read the whole comment. It’s okay. It’s long.
Yeah that’s why I specified “in an ethical way”. So if gen AI tools paid royalties to artists you’d be cool with it?
who’s doing the sampling?
meat?
or an algorithm?
it’s that simple.
What if I tell an AI tool to make me a beat using a specific sample? That’s meat doing the sampling.
no, it’s not. and you’re giving up creativity and exploration to a machine, to a language model.
for fucks sake have some pride in the humans who can do it without stealing the process of creating.
People say the exact same thing about hip hop when somebody samples a song. Just the new generation of that argument.
What if there was consent and royalties paid for the music that’s used to create music with gen AI?
it just shows how morally bankrupt you are to compare hiphop to AI.
what if. what if you grew a sense of pride in your own artistic merits and stopped stealing from actual creators?
what if you gave a shit about the species.
what if we never interacted again because I’m gonna block ya.
You have a lot of misdirected anger. You’re not even reading my comment. The fight you have is not with me or AI. It’s with how corporations are training their LLM’s.
There is absolutely a way to have ethical generative AI and create music with it. The question was if you still think that’s immoral, but all good if you can’t have that conversation.
I hope you find peace.