From the GOPs point of view they won all of them. This war will be no different. The world will call it a loss because the U.S. won’t take control of Iran and hold it permanently, which the U.S. never has any intent of holding these countries permanently. They don’t care how many soldiers die, they don’t even really care who ends up controlling that area when they leave. Did they destabilize the region and get approval to funnel mass amounts of money into defense company contracts. Yes and yes. U.S. oil comes from the U.S. yet gas prices are rising in the U.S., why… Because wars with countries that control oil elsewhere help line the pockets of oil companies who fund these politicians campaigns. If you have oil, lift it at costs less than the U.S. and don’t have nuclear weapons, you are a target to exploit. It’ll raise costs for every working class sod in the world, but they couldn’t give a shit about us. They are winning. We are losing.
Arguably they “won” the Korean war as their stated goal was to keep the democratic south alive. As well, the original Gulf war was also a win, but that was a “coalition” force.
The more I think about it the more every one of those ‘lost’ wars transfered a lot of money from working people to weapons manufacturers and all it costed the people in charge was other peoples kids lives and global stability, so maybe I’m looking at the whole thing wrong honestly.
You could also argue that the Korean war is still going. The War was formally declared, and has a militarized border instead of a formal ending.
While the DPRK isn’t exactly a bastion of freedom, having no end to hostility with the US explains so much wrong with their society. They’ve been at formal war with the US for the entire existence of their country. Surviving this requires certain “compromises”.
Meanwhile, Cuba? Settled in and took a different interpretation. Guantanamo may be an ongoing incursion, but the state reached some actual status quo with their neighbor (even if it was deeply negative with the 60+ year blockade). Castro passed, his brother passed, a non-Castro got elected. Cuba passed the most progressive LGBTQ+ protection laws in the world as the “Family Code” in 2024 by what we’d call a ballot initiative. Aside from the blockade, they are a free people - more so than the US in the age of Epstein.
What if we just… Quit fucking with Iran? Tried for peace talks with North Korea? Just welcomed Cuba to the neighborhood? Anything else produces disaster.
Most definitely could see the Korean war as “not finished”.
I think the DPRK would have many of the same problems even if they didn’t have make the US the big scary enemy. Every uniting force, be it a democratic government or a dictator, needs an external thing to rally against. I think many of the decisions the Kims came to wouldn’t be that different vs a different external threat.
Definitely feel like the US could quit fucking with Cuba, but they won’t. Fucking with the Americas just seems to be a thing the US thinks is their god-given right.
They also won’t stop fucking with iran until oil stops being the thinf the US projects power with. Especially since Iran was China’s “ally” and that’s who the US is really worried about.
Could they lose? Name one war in the past 70 yesrs they didn’t lose?
From the GOPs point of view they won all of them. This war will be no different. The world will call it a loss because the U.S. won’t take control of Iran and hold it permanently, which the U.S. never has any intent of holding these countries permanently. They don’t care how many soldiers die, they don’t even really care who ends up controlling that area when they leave. Did they destabilize the region and get approval to funnel mass amounts of money into defense company contracts. Yes and yes. U.S. oil comes from the U.S. yet gas prices are rising in the U.S., why… Because wars with countries that control oil elsewhere help line the pockets of oil companies who fund these politicians campaigns. If you have oil, lift it at costs less than the U.S. and don’t have nuclear weapons, you are a target to exploit. It’ll raise costs for every working class sod in the world, but they couldn’t give a shit about us. They are winning. We are losing.
Arguably they “won” the Korean war as their stated goal was to keep the democratic south alive. As well, the original Gulf war was also a win, but that was a “coalition” force.
The more I think about it the more every one of those ‘lost’ wars transfered a lot of money from working people to weapons manufacturers and all it costed the people in charge was other peoples kids lives and global stability, so maybe I’m looking at the whole thing wrong honestly.
Fuck off moving the goalposts. I’m sorry the west isn’t as incompetent as Russia.
Wtf are you talking about?
You could also argue that the Korean war is still going. The War was formally declared, and has a militarized border instead of a formal ending.
While the DPRK isn’t exactly a bastion of freedom, having no end to hostility with the US explains so much wrong with their society. They’ve been at formal war with the US for the entire existence of their country. Surviving this requires certain “compromises”.
Meanwhile, Cuba? Settled in and took a different interpretation. Guantanamo may be an ongoing incursion, but the state reached some actual status quo with their neighbor (even if it was deeply negative with the 60+ year blockade). Castro passed, his brother passed, a non-Castro got elected. Cuba passed the most progressive LGBTQ+ protection laws in the world as the “Family Code” in 2024 by what we’d call a ballot initiative. Aside from the blockade, they are a free people - more so than the US in the age of Epstein.
What if we just… Quit fucking with Iran? Tried for peace talks with North Korea? Just welcomed Cuba to the neighborhood? Anything else produces disaster.
Most definitely could see the Korean war as “not finished”.
I think the DPRK would have many of the same problems even if they didn’t have make the US the big scary enemy. Every uniting force, be it a democratic government or a dictator, needs an external thing to rally against. I think many of the decisions the Kims came to wouldn’t be that different vs a different external threat.
Definitely feel like the US could quit fucking with Cuba, but they won’t. Fucking with the Americas just seems to be a thing the US thinks is their god-given right.
They also won’t stop fucking with iran until oil stops being the thinf the US projects power with. Especially since Iran was China’s “ally” and that’s who the US is really worried about.