• Pacattack57@lemmy.world
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    You are incredibly misinformed if you believe the conflict in the Middle East is caused by the Biden administration. No matter who is the president, the US will always support Israel. Trump is loves to pretend he will fix something to get votes because his pocket book depends on being president.

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      I’m not informed…?

      No US president in history, from either party, has been this hands-off with Israel. Period.

      And I didn’t say war, I said situation, as in the nonstop spiraling of events, without as much as a waiver in US support: diplomatically, militarily, or financially.

      The fact that you don’t know that, shows it’s not me who is misinformed.

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        Maybe you are under informed. The Abraham Accords and the moving of the US embassy were escalations in this conflict.

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          Wait, so you’re saying that US culpability in this conflict starts, and ends, with the Trump administration…?

          Again, I don’t think it’s me who’s under informed on this issue…

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            No one said it was Trump. The US has been giving financial aid to Israel for over 50 years. You are misinformed because you believe Trump will fix it. News flash he was already president and he didn’t fix shit.

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              …what? You just said Abraham accords are the reason for this conflict… That’s the same as saying Trump is to blame…

              And just because I’m rightfully assigning blame to Biden, the current sitting US president and self-proclaimed biggest support of Israel, doesn’t mean I support Trump.

              Feel free to creep on all of my comment history, my political leanings should be pretty self-evident.

              Don’t you feel gross telling people that if they say Biden’s policies have allowed the situation to get out of control, it means they support Trump?

              I mean, you do understand that ultimately Israel is our client state and entirely dependent upon our aid for their survival, right?

              They literally could not be prosecuting this war if we stopped shipping them weapons, and they would never have attacked Iran if we didn’t have our CSG and accompanying missile destroyers sitting in between them.

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                Point the rest of us to where anyone in this thread said that Trump’s actions started the Israel conflict rather than just escalating what was already going on.

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                  Maybe you are under informed. The Abraham Accords and the moving of the US embassy were escalations in this conflict.

                  It’s like three or four comments up, did you even look?

                  Or does your extensive knowledge of Middle Eastern history not extend back that far?

                  In case you’re still confused, both of those actions were taken by the Trump administration, and it was the sole content of that comment.

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                    I wrote:

                    Maybe you are under informed. The Abraham Accords and the moving of the US embassy were escalations in this conflict.

                    Are you seriously claiming I said Trump started the conflict? What does the word “escalation” mean to you?

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                    Bruh. You seem to have not read my comment or the one you just quoted. The quote is not claiming that Trump started the conflict. That quote is stating that he escalated it. Try again, but make sure you look up the difference between “start” and “escalate” before you do.

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                Me: post factual events

                You:

                Wait, so you’re saying that US culpability in this conflict starts, and ends, with the Trump administration…?

                Me: Who are you arguing with here? It isn’t me.

                …what? You just said Abraham accords are the reason for this conflict…

                I said they were escalations in the conflict