Interesting to compare that to the ILGA Rainbowmap which just contains Europe.
The european countries from the list above rank as follows:
Netherlands 13th
France 15th
Austria 16th
UK 22nd (below EU average)
Ireland 14th
Iceland 3rd
Switzerland 18th
Now obviously they use different scoring (‘travel’ vs ‘living there’) but I think it is interesting that they differ that much. Also the groups differ and the one from the article seems pretty broad. I would hope everywhere with substantial progress in LGBTQIA+ rights would also have proper womens rights and protections as well, since it is the same side of the (manysided) equality-coin. Imo racism is still pretty bad and widespread across europe, so not sure how much that factors into the list (though if it would be a strong factor I would be surprised to see Austria and Switzerland on this list).
Absolutely - I was going to say, Spain is head and shoulders above the UK for LGBT safety (those are the only two countries I’ve spent a lot of time in recently).
Also worth noting, I’ve been in the non-touristy parts of north Vietnam for a month now (much more conservative than the south), and having talked to quite a few LGBT people here, it’s safe to live as an openly queer person, they just occasionally have to put up with assholes … just like everywhere else. And as a guiri, even the assholes don’t want to confront me, an obviously queer woman.
I’m surprised that the Netherlands don’t make it into the top 10 though. My German view is definitely biased, but when I travel there it just feels like (well, used to feel like) they got other stuff to think about than other people’s gender and sexuality. Be what you want to be, as long as you’re going to our coffee shops kind of.
As basically all European countries are shifting to the right more and more, I imagine the relaxed climate has also changed. Also the Netherlands are more than just the big cities, God knows how LGBTQA+ friendly they are in Overjissel. I only played cow cricket there.
Interesting to compare that to the ILGA Rainbowmap which just contains Europe.
The european countries from the list above rank as follows:
Now obviously they use different scoring (‘travel’ vs ‘living there’) but I think it is interesting that they differ that much. Also the groups differ and the one from the article seems pretty broad. I would hope everywhere with substantial progress in LGBTQIA+ rights would also have proper womens rights and protections as well, since it is the same side of the (manysided) equality-coin. Imo racism is still pretty bad and widespread across europe, so not sure how much that factors into the list (though if it would be a strong factor I would be surprised to see Austria and Switzerland on this list).
I don’t think it’s surprising the lists differ a lot.
These are often very different, on any issue.
Absolutely - I was going to say, Spain is head and shoulders above the UK for LGBT safety (those are the only two countries I’ve spent a lot of time in recently).
Also worth noting, I’ve been in the non-touristy parts of north Vietnam for a month now (much more conservative than the south), and having talked to quite a few LGBT people here, it’s safe to live as an openly queer person, they just occasionally have to put up with assholes … just like everywhere else. And as a guiri, even the assholes don’t want to confront me, an obviously queer woman.
I’m surprised that the Netherlands don’t make it into the top 10 though. My German view is definitely biased, but when I travel there it just feels like (well, used to feel like) they got other stuff to think about than other people’s gender and sexuality. Be what you want to be, as long as you’re going to our coffee shops kind of. As basically all European countries are shifting to the right more and more, I imagine the relaxed climate has also changed. Also the Netherlands are more than just the big cities, God knows how LGBTQA+ friendly they are in Overjissel. I only played cow cricket there.
I’m not a woman, nor LGBTQ+, but to me at least, this graph looks a lot closer to reality.