• BassTurd@lemmy.world
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    There have been many horrible events, but recency bias, I would be interested in what if Hitler never came to power, there was no WWII, and no Holocaust. Would his failure to forge a path to power have prevented many of today’s happenings and not put the US as the top world power for decades, or would we still have ended up here? Israel and Palestine would likely be different, nukes wouldn’t have been dropped, and maybe the Soviet union wouldn’t have collapsed. I’m not a history guy, so maybe all of this is off base. Again, certainly worse things in history that if changed would have reshaped the world, but this is definitely not a small thing affecting us today.

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      Definitely an interesting “what if.” Hitler never coming to power would have completely reshaped the 20th century no WWII, no Holocaust, and a very different global power balance. So much of today’s world, from the US as a superpower to Israel- Palestine and nuclear politics, might have played out differently. Hard to say exactly, but it’s definitely one of those pivotal moments in history.

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        If Trump didn’t have a playbook I wonder if he could have accomplished the same tyranny he has.

        I’m in the US Virgin islands at the moment on a trip, and I had a good conversation with a taxi driver. Tourism is way down and they are all just as disgusted and feel just as helpless as the rest of us. It’s still a US territory, but anecdotally his shit is flinging on everyone.

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          Yeah, even without a playbook it’s wild how much influence he’s had. Sounds rough in the Virgin Islands too crazy how his actions ripple everywhere, even in territories most people barely think about.

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            It’s unfortunate and I’m embarrassed by my fellow countrymen. The US certainly has not often been on the right side of history, but in the here and now, I’m truly disgusted by it all.

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    Columbus’ return to Spain.

    His failure to return discourages further attempts for a while; and when contact is eventually made, it isn’t Spain in the immediate aftermath of the Reconquista looking to continue its momentum.

    Meanwhile, the New World is made aware of Europe and perhaps acquires some resistance to Old World diseases before any larger confrontations.

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      Interesting point! So basically, if Columbus hadn’t returned successfully, Spain’s push into the New World might’ve slowed down, giving the indigenous peoples more time to get used to European contact and maybe even build some resistance to diseases before major conflicts happened.

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        That, and Spain (or whoever else) wouldn’t be coming in fresh off the surrender of Granada, with the attitude that all non-Christian states must be conquered as a matter of principle.

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          Exactly without that post Granada mindset, expansion wouldn’t have been driven by the same “conquest by principle” attitude, which could’ve changed a lot of outcomes.

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      Ah yes, the legendary John Capital strikes again giving the world capitalism, whether we asked for it or not.

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      The Sino-Soviet split really changed the dynamics of the Cold War two communist powers, but not exactly on the same page

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    I sometimes wonder if a different outcome of the confrontation at Tours would have set back Western Europe to the point where the scope of the Crusades and the colonization of the New World would be curtailed.

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      Yeah, a different outcome at Tours could’ve seriously changed the course of Western Europe maybe limiting the Crusades and slowing down New World colonization. Fascinating to think about how one battle can ripple through history.

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    The unification of the Italian peninsula by Rome. Because fuck the Roman Empire and fuck imperialism. (Also most of what you think you hate about Christianity is stuff the early Christians inherited from Roman culture).

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    Too damn many to just pick one single thing. So I’d go safe and erase our beginning itself. That should do it.