Bullshit, he got half the votes, and those that didn’t vote didn’t dislike him enough to prevent his election.
So Americans like Trump plenty, until he does something that hurts them personally.
If you really believe your own comment, you are delusional.
There are plenty of older Americans who are “Republican” and don’t care who the candidate is, that’s the party that they feel best aligns with their traditional beliefs and values. They don’t or won’t watch the media because they know most of it is bullshit (true for both sides). So, there are plenty that stay ignorant/naive in a sense.
On the flip side of that coin, I guess I shouldn’t have immediately jumped into this being political, and should really strive to unite both sides bc we all know money buys politics! Aka rich vs everyone else, so it’s a vertical battle, not horizonal!
I don’t care which “side” is which, we need a candidate who’s not bought and paid for!
I’m not a conspiracy tinfoil hat guy, but there’s been enough projection and “holy shit are they actually admitting it?!?!?” ramblings from Trump, Musk and Rogan over this past year that it’s not just myself, but have brought many others to call into question the authenticity of the results.
I don’t believe you, because there is not a shred of evidence of that.
Occam’s Razor tells us it is much more plausible that Americans are just stupid, and didn’t learn the lesson from 2 periods of Bush Jr. and the first period of Trump.
The American society is sociopathic and hold individual freedom as a religion. And they see Trump being a malignant narcissist as a perfect example of individual freedom, and they don’t recognize the sociopathy because they see it as a virtue.
This is to me the way more plausible explanation, that we have seen play out in many presidential elections in USA, Where already Reagan’s uncompromising war mongering campaign won over the much more moral and humane Carter that wanted environmental sustainability. Religious fanatics are fundamentalists, and fundamentalists vote to the right, and psychopaths are fascists and vote to the right. Trump election victory is 100% based in the insanity of the American society.
I am not saying all Americans are insane, there are many good Americans, but just as a person that has terminal cancer has cancer cells in the body that makes the body sick, doesn’t mean that all cells are cancer cells. And in the same way American society is sick, because there are so many “sick” people that behave in ways that are harmful, that the society as a whole is sick.
Seen from a country that is one of the best democracies in the world, there is absolutely no doubt about it. It is very obvious that American society as a whole is very very sick.
American here, and one who grew up in what is now trump country. Well, I guess I still live in a republican area now, but I started out rural.
Your conclusion about how the society as a whole is sick is 100% spot on.
I don’t do much international travel, but I did get to spend a little bit of time in europe in the past couple years. Most of it in scandinavia of all places!
The difference is crazy, even not counting all this recent crazy shit. On the surface things look similar. But being immersed in it let all the little details sink in simultaneously.
There’s an air of dignity and respect that I am just not used to in american society. Even just the instances of “we couldn’t have that, somebody would immediately ruin it” were constant.
Okay buddy, yowza that was a whole fuck ton of a response. Good on ya. I’m not in any way defending the dumbing down and weakening of critical thinking here. No shit, obviously we’re getting dumber in the United States. It’s been embarrassing since my childhood.
I’m not going to bat for us.
Anyway, there have been a few instances where there have been slip-ups with Trump saying “Elon is so good with the voting machines in Pennsylvania”, or with Rogan admitting how in awe he was of Elon looking at his phone saying Trump had won just as opening ballots had started.
Also Trump barely winning in swing states (ridiculous ) where it was a bullet ballot only supporting him, but being generally consistent along previous years trends that supported Democrats… like I agree, yes we’re stupid, whip me more Euro Daddy, but the fact that the Dems didn’t immediately demand a recount is so cucked
They always play that card. Somehow, in their minds, they’re the strongest democracy out there, but over the multiple decades of their elected government representatives doing atrocious stuff their answer is always “oh no you see they don’t represent the real americans”
Huge difference between a large fraction and a small fraction.
I’m not saying it’s a major8ity anymore, but on election day a majority didn’t dislike him enough to vote to prevent him from winning.
As I wrote, when people are personally hit by his policies, either the sucking job market, or losing ACA and needing healthcare, then they realize it was not a good idea to let him win. But before that, most were fine with it, or didn’t care.
Well, most of my state, which is larger than most European countries, cared and didn’t want him. The US is huge - clearly far too huge, since the will of so many people can be ignored.
Your state is one of 50, and not an representative of USA as a whole. I’m writing about USA as 1 country, not as 50 states and territories.
Just as when writing about EU as a whole and not about any particular member state.
The problem is not the size, it is the lack of democracy, and lack of respect between the states. For instance US no state can secede if it wants to, while UK was allowed to leave EU. No state can block a law in USA, while all countries of EU has that option.
USA see this level of respect and democracy towards each other as a weakness, but in reality it is a strength, and Europe has developed a society that is way better than USA, despite USA is about twice as rich per capita.
Bullshit, he got half the votes, and those that didn’t vote didn’t dislike him enough to prevent his election.
So Americans like Trump plenty, until he does something that hurts them personally.
If you really believe your own comment, you are delusional.
I’m going to go against both grains here:
On the flip side of that coin, I guess I shouldn’t have immediately jumped into this being political, and should really strive to unite both sides bc we all know money buys politics! Aka rich vs everyone else, so it’s a vertical battle, not horizonal!
I don’t care which “side” is which, we need a candidate who’s not bought and paid for!
I’m not a conspiracy tinfoil hat guy, but there’s been enough projection and “holy shit are they actually admitting it?!?!?” ramblings from Trump, Musk and Rogan over this past year that it’s not just myself, but have brought many others to call into question the authenticity of the results.
TLDR: IT WAS RIGGED
I don’t believe you, because there is not a shred of evidence of that.
Occam’s Razor tells us it is much more plausible that Americans are just stupid, and didn’t learn the lesson from 2 periods of Bush Jr. and the first period of Trump.
The American society is sociopathic and hold individual freedom as a religion. And they see Trump being a malignant narcissist as a perfect example of individual freedom, and they don’t recognize the sociopathy because they see it as a virtue.
This is to me the way more plausible explanation, that we have seen play out in many presidential elections in USA, Where already Reagan’s uncompromising war mongering campaign won over the much more moral and humane Carter that wanted environmental sustainability. Religious fanatics are fundamentalists, and fundamentalists vote to the right, and psychopaths are fascists and vote to the right. Trump election victory is 100% based in the insanity of the American society.
I am not saying all Americans are insane, there are many good Americans, but just as a person that has terminal cancer has cancer cells in the body that makes the body sick, doesn’t mean that all cells are cancer cells. And in the same way American society is sick, because there are so many “sick” people that behave in ways that are harmful, that the society as a whole is sick.
Seen from a country that is one of the best democracies in the world, there is absolutely no doubt about it. It is very obvious that American society as a whole is very very sick.
American here, and one who grew up in what is now trump country. Well, I guess I still live in a republican area now, but I started out rural.
Your conclusion about how the society as a whole is sick is 100% spot on.
I don’t do much international travel, but I did get to spend a little bit of time in europe in the past couple years. Most of it in scandinavia of all places!
The difference is crazy, even not counting all this recent crazy shit. On the surface things look similar. But being immersed in it let all the little details sink in simultaneously.
There’s an air of dignity and respect that I am just not used to in american society. Even just the instances of “we couldn’t have that, somebody would immediately ruin it” were constant.
Okay buddy, yowza that was a whole fuck ton of a response. Good on ya. I’m not in any way defending the dumbing down and weakening of critical thinking here. No shit, obviously we’re getting dumber in the United States. It’s been embarrassing since my childhood. I’m not going to bat for us.
Anyway, there have been a few instances where there have been slip-ups with Trump saying “Elon is so good with the voting machines in Pennsylvania”, or with Rogan admitting how in awe he was of Elon looking at his phone saying Trump had won just as opening ballots had started.
Also Trump barely winning in swing states (ridiculous ) where it was a bullet ballot only supporting him, but being generally consistent along previous years trends that supported Democrats… like I agree, yes we’re stupid, whip me more Euro Daddy, but the fact that the Dems didn’t immediately demand a recount is so cucked
They always play that card. Somehow, in their minds, they’re the strongest democracy out there, but over the multiple decades of their elected government representatives doing atrocious stuff their answer is always “oh no you see they don’t represent the real americans”
Read up on a thing called ‘The Electoral College.’
The smaller, conservative states have more power than the larger states.
Left leaning California has 2 Senators, the same as tiny Rightwing Alabama.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College
And that prevents you from getting up your chair and protesting?
lol “left leaning”
A large fraction of us like Trump, but not the majority. Still far, far more than is excusable.
Huge difference between a large fraction and a small fraction.
I’m not saying it’s a major8ity anymore, but on election day a majority didn’t dislike him enough to vote to prevent him from winning.
As I wrote, when people are personally hit by his policies, either the sucking job market, or losing ACA and needing healthcare, then they realize it was not a good idea to let him win. But before that, most were fine with it, or didn’t care.
Well, most of my state, which is larger than most European countries, cared and didn’t want him. The US is huge - clearly far too huge, since the will of so many people can be ignored.
Your state is one of 50, and not an representative of USA as a whole. I’m writing about USA as 1 country, not as 50 states and territories.
Just as when writing about EU as a whole and not about any particular member state.
The problem is not the size, it is the lack of democracy, and lack of respect between the states. For instance US no state can secede if it wants to, while UK was allowed to leave EU. No state can block a law in USA, while all countries of EU has that option.
USA see this level of respect and democracy towards each other as a weakness, but in reality it is a strength, and Europe has developed a society that is way better than USA, despite USA is about twice as rich per capita.
Believe me, I very much wish we could secede! Maybe the US will Balkanize after the empire collapses.