Russia opposes Taiwan’s independence in any form and considers the island an inseparable part of China, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in remarks published on Sunday.
In an interview with Russia’s TASS state news agency, Lavrov also urged Japan to “think carefully” about what he described as a course towards militarisation".
So…the republic of china, which currently exists in Taiwan.
Im glad we all agree Taiwan governs Taiwan.
Again. There is only one nation state of China. That nation state includes the mainland and the island. No one contests this except Western citizens - not the government of Taiwan, not the CPC, not the US, not the UN, not the EU, etc. There is ONE nation state. The 2 contentions are (1) how it is governed internally, which is a matter of internal politics and (2) whether the US, Britain, and Japan should be allowed to build nuclear kill chains on the island.
So again, Taiwan is the leader of Taiwan. Bold of you to agree that they are also the legitmate goverment in exile of China, but I assume they appriecate your support.
The question of who is the legitimate government of the nation state of China is a collaborative question between the people of China and the international community. It has been abundantly clear that the overwhelming majority of Chinese people and the overwhelming majority of nations recognize the CPC as the legitimate government of the nation state of China.
And there you go. The end result of your tortured logic to give China an independent nation state it hasent controlled for 80 years.
“Ohh Taiwan is just part of china because they consider themselves the rightful goverment of china in exile. But ohh, oops, because they think they should govern china, that mean the group that actually leads china owns them, tee hee.”
Hilariously self serving and transpartent logic. If Taiwan wanted to be part of China, they would be part of China now. Instead they have embraced democracy and are arming themselves to protect their nation from being attacked by China.
Yeah, you’re not actually using anything resembling historical reasoning. Just vague platitudes.
China, the nation state, liberated the island province of Taiwan from Japanese control, reverting back to it’s centuries-long historical status as territory of the nation state of China.
This status has not changed since then. The fascist minority that lost the civil war did not secede from the nation state of China, they did not declare independence from the nation state of China. Similarly, the international community recognizes precisely one China and over the decades from 1950 to today slowly came to recognize the legitimacy of the CPC as the governing structure of the nation state of China.
That’s really the long and short of it. Taiwan does not claim to be a separate nation state, the Chinese people - who are the super majority of the residents of the island - do not support being a separate nation state. The governments of the world do not claim Taiwan to be a separate nation state. There is no legitimacy from any source of globally recognized legitimacy of the existence of an independent nation state on the island of Taiwan, especially not one composed or Chinese people.
As far an invasion of by the PLA, please just go search for “Xi peaceful reunification”. What you’ll find in the Anglosphere is an unending series of articles snipping about 12 words from the CPC or Xi himself talking about peaceful reunification and then 5 paragraphs about why this columnist believes the PLA actually wants to invade the island.
The reality is that the CPC has held the exact same position on Taiwan as it has for 50+ years. Taiwan will eventually reunite with China by the will of the people on the island of Taiwan because it will become obvious that it is in their best interests to do. During the rebuilding period after the civil war, mainland China was massive and impoverished and it would take many years to even make a dent in the quality of life. On the island of Taiwan, however, the population and land mass were small and the leadership was fascist and they allied themselves with the West. The West invested heavily in the quality of life there, making it a no brainer that people would want to stay allied with China’s enemies, and yet, it required 40 years of mass murder and political repression to completely purge the island of the social movement for reunification. But now that the West is dying, the people of Taiwan will have to make the decision about their future. Will they ally themselves with the violent and declining West who are approaching them about installing nuclear capabilities on their island, making them a proxy of the US military? Or will they wait out the collapse the West and incrementally reintegrate with the mainland for economic vibrancy, quality of life, and peace?
Yup, theres that same tortured reasoning that the fully independent nation of Taiwan is owned by China after 80 years of independence and seperate governance, but this time with extra handwaving away of China’s explict comments about attacking Taiwan and forceably removing their sovernity.
Keep rehashing Chinese propaganda as much as you like mate. It doesnt change the actual world.
You can keep asserting that Taiwan is a fully independent nation but that doesn’t make it so. There are mechanisms by which nations are defined. Taiwan has participated in none of these mechanisms. Also, your definition of “Independent” is entirely specious as the island was demonstrably a protectorate of the US and UK which executed a naval blockade (an act of war) to protect the ultra minority fascist military that lost the civil war. As a protectorate, it is difficult to state that Taiwan is clearly an independent nation state.
Please source Chinese explicit statements about attacking Taiwan. I assure you that any statement you source can be shown to only explicitly be in reference to the national security implications of foreign weapon systems, capabilities, and troops being stationed on the island. China has held the line on peaceful reunification since the 1950s.
Ahh, a continued case book in propaganda.
Only refencing a democracy like Taiwan by its autocratic past to minimize China’s current brutal authoritarian goverment, arbitrary and undefined “Taiwan cant be nation because I said so” statements, and continued wild handwaving away all the statments about “forced reuninfication” from PRC party members and endless military drills, war games and international provications when Taiwan arms itself to assure its own autonomy from a brutal aggressor. No shit China doesnt want Taiwan to be able to defend itself and is threatening anyone who assists them. It has made it very clear they intend to attack the nation as soon as international politics allow it.
Nothing you’ve said changes the fact that Taiwan has been an independent state for 80 years, and a democracy for 30. The fact that other democracies stand by its right to self determination is only a threat to China because it is a totalitarian regime that wants to plunder Taiwans resources for itself.
Hate to break it to you but there literally are none. The concept of legal statehood is a fantasy; your existence is determined by what land you hold and who agrees to work with you on the international stage.
Taiwan in 2025 fits basically any state definitions (geographic location, population, government, election sovereignty, etc…), but the only thing holding them back from ratifying their current independence and gaining formal international recognition is the 1.43 billion lb gorilla across the strait. By the PRCs own stance, a declaration of independence would provoke an invasion and cut diplomatic relations with any country that supports Taiwan independence. This is how you get phrasing like the USA acknowledging (not recognizing) the PRCs claims and not supporting Taiwan independence (vs opposing).
Only 51 countries outright endorse the PRCs claims with the rest staying far away from an official position, so it’s not difficult at all to see Taiwan’s de facto independence. But the PRC has a knife to their throat preventing that from being formal, which is great for internet propoganda warriors like yourself.
Lmao PRC has nearly been guns hot with their saber rattling brinkmanship multiple times. If they stopped doing that for a few decades then maybe they’d get more support for a “peaceful reunification”, but it’s far more likely that Taiwan would want to remain independent.
They’re a fucking nuclear power, that alone is such an obvious deterrent that any Taiwan threat is negligible from a national defense standpoint. We’ve lived in a world with ICBMs since 1957 for fucks sake. It doesn’t matter if a rival superpower decides to attack you from 50 miles or 5000 miles, it’s not going to end well (for anyone most likely)…
But the war games and rockets and patrols serve a much more important purpose than national defense: keep Taiwan hostile and use that hostility to preserve your casus belli. The moment that the USA (or whatever superpower) decides to withdraw their support you can hop right over and clean house. A peaceful annexation is much more risky and politically messy [see Hong Kong].
Spouting “peaceful reunification” is such a laughable farce when their posture is so obviously counter productive.