Russia opposes Taiwan’s independence in any form and considers the island an inseparable part of China, Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in remarks published on Sunday.
In an interview with Russia’s TASS state news agency, Lavrov also urged Japan to “think carefully” about what he described as a course towards militarisation".
Right, so the answer is that the legal entity known as “China” liberated the Chinese province of Taiwan from Japan, while 2 different Chinese political factions argued over who was really in charge of the legal entity of China, and in fact, the rest of the international community, which ultimately detines countries through consensus participated in this construction as well, asserting that there was only one China and choosing one political faction or the other as who they saw as the legitimate government of that singular legal entity.
So to complete the thread - the nation-state of China colonized the island nation of Taiwan in the early 1600s as frontier land, the nation-state of China incorporated it into the nation-state of China in the late 1600s, the nation-state of China ceded it under duress to the imperialist nation-state of Japan when they lost a war of aggression launched by Japan, then the nation-state of China liberated the island of Taiwan in1945, making it legally part of the nation-state of China again.
This status has not changed since then.
This seems correct, except for that last bit.
For example, when the allied forces liberated France, the liberated forces did not then own France.
The French owned France.
Correct after liberation the territory reverts to the ownership of the nation state prior to occupation
So…the republic of china, which currently exists in Taiwan.
Im glad we all agree Taiwan governs Taiwan.
Again. There is only one nation state of China. That nation state includes the mainland and the island. No one contests this except Western citizens - not the government of Taiwan, not the CPC, not the US, not the UN, not the EU, etc. There is ONE nation state. The 2 contentions are (1) how it is governed internally, which is a matter of internal politics and (2) whether the US, Britain, and Japan should be allowed to build nuclear kill chains on the island.
So again, Taiwan is the leader of Taiwan. Bold of you to agree that they are also the legitmate goverment in exile of China, but I assume they appriecate your support.
The question of who is the legitimate government of the nation state of China is a collaborative question between the people of China and the international community. It has been abundantly clear that the overwhelming majority of Chinese people and the overwhelming majority of nations recognize the CPC as the legitimate government of the nation state of China.
And there you go. The end result of your tortured logic to give China an independent nation state it hasent controlled for 80 years.
“Ohh Taiwan is just part of china because they consider themselves the rightful goverment of china in exile. But ohh, oops, because they think they should govern china, that mean the group that actually leads china owns them, tee hee.”
Hilariously self serving and transpartent logic. If Taiwan wanted to be part of China, they would be part of China now. Instead they have embraced democracy and are arming themselves to protect their nation from being attacked by China.
Yeah, you’re not actually using anything resembling historical reasoning. Just vague platitudes.
China, the nation state, liberated the island province of Taiwan from Japanese control, reverting back to it’s centuries-long historical status as territory of the nation state of China.
This status has not changed since then. The fascist minority that lost the civil war did not secede from the nation state of China, they did not declare independence from the nation state of China. Similarly, the international community recognizes precisely one China and over the decades from 1950 to today slowly came to recognize the legitimacy of the CPC as the governing structure of the nation state of China.
That’s really the long and short of it. Taiwan does not claim to be a separate nation state, the Chinese people - who are the super majority of the residents of the island - do not support being a separate nation state. The governments of the world do not claim Taiwan to be a separate nation state. There is no legitimacy from any source of globally recognized legitimacy of the existence of an independent nation state on the island of Taiwan, especially not one composed or Chinese people.
As far an invasion of by the PLA, please just go search for “Xi peaceful reunification”. What you’ll find in the Anglosphere is an unending series of articles snipping about 12 words from the CPC or Xi himself talking about peaceful reunification and then 5 paragraphs about why this columnist believes the PLA actually wants to invade the island.
The reality is that the CPC has held the exact same position on Taiwan as it has for 50+ years. Taiwan will eventually reunite with China by the will of the people on the island of Taiwan because it will become obvious that it is in their best interests to do. During the rebuilding period after the civil war, mainland China was massive and impoverished and it would take many years to even make a dent in the quality of life. On the island of Taiwan, however, the population and land mass were small and the leadership was fascist and they allied themselves with the West. The West invested heavily in the quality of life there, making it a no brainer that people would want to stay allied with China’s enemies, and yet, it required 40 years of mass murder and political repression to completely purge the island of the social movement for reunification. But now that the West is dying, the people of Taiwan will have to make the decision about their future. Will they ally themselves with the violent and declining West who are approaching them about installing nuclear capabilities on their island, making them a proxy of the US military? Or will they wait out the collapse the West and incrementally reintegrate with the mainland for economic vibrancy, quality of life, and peace?
So you failed to read the linked text entirely?
The goverment of China, which then became the goverment of Taiwan shortly thereafter, liberated Taiwan. Then, in the 1980s, Taiwain opened up to democracy, and elects its own leaders.
So yes, its very clear who liberated and governs Taiwan, Taiwan itself.
Taiwan itself claims to be a part of China. They claim to be the temporarily embarrassed government of China in fact.
It is an ongoing civil dispute between factions in China, of which Taiwan is a part. This is all clearly outlined in the arguments and citations above. Including yours.
You just don’t like it.
China claims Taiwan is part of its nation, but that has not been the actual case for nearly 80 years.
Taiwan has internal civil disputes about whether it is part of China only in the context of it being the legitimate goverment in exile of China. Those are the only people claiming Taiwan is part of China, so if you agree with that you must agree with them as well. Do you agree that Taiwan are the legitimate leaders of China?
No I read it. You’re just making a logical leap and refusing to admit it. Political parties do not own national territory. For example the Republican Party does not own Wyoming the United States of America does. In fact the only way that a political movement is able to claim ownership of territory owned by the nation state that the political movement is a part of is for that political movement to secede from that nation state as the Confederacy did. This is not happened in Taiwan. There is one legal entity internationally recognized in this debate and it is the legal entity of the nation-state of China. Inner workings of a given nation state are not subject to international consensus the existence of a political party inside the United States is an internal matter. Whether or not the green party exists is not a question of international consensus. But whether a nation state exists is a matter of international consensus. There has never been an international consensus that there are two nation states one in Taiwan and one in mainland China. The international consensus has consistently been for several centuries that there is one nation state called China and the internal political movements within the nation state of China are an issue exclusively for the people of China to resolve and manage.
So while you may claim that the KMT is a separate internationally legal entity from the CPC the reality is that both of those organizations are Chinese they belong to the nation of China and their schism is a matter of internal Chinese politics. The KMT and the subsequent governing body of the island of Taiwan have never declared independence nor seceded from the nation state of China.