Updated the slogan.
Huh, it rippled backwards in time, too
It’s like the Apocalypse Now scene, without the part when they try to search the boat.
They must be drug boats because there is no more drugs in the US anymore.
Terrorist attacks*
Some reason to believe they’re not drug boats?
Presumption of innocence.
Also, a long history of the US government engaging in fraud and slander as an excuse to start wars, from the USS Maine to the Gulf of Tonkin incident to the WMDs in Iraq.
Extrajudicial murders using the same paltry level of evidence as most ICE operations. The word MURDER is the essential word.
It pains me to give trump the benifit of doubt greatly but I’d love to see some solid evidence of it not being drug smugglers so we can nail him the fuck down for it in the future.
Besides the fact that evidence doesn’t work that way, the Administration has options here if they actually believed those were drug boats. The 50BMG rifle exists to put a big hole in an engine block. There are snipers good enough to make that shot at a few hundred yards in a helicopter.
They choose to use a much more expensive missile that just so happens to obliterate any evidence.
They’re just killing random fishers.
A lack of evidence of innocence isn’t the same thing as evidence of guilt.
Even if they were guilty of smuggling drugs, using missiles to murder them is excessive force.
Also finding people outside your borders guilty, sentencing them to death and carrying out that sentence without even knowing their name might be just a tad excessive.
A war crime perhaps.
Kinda need a war for that, but yeah.
Yeah that’s not how evidence works. The onus is on him to provide evidence that they are drug boats, which should be trivial for the largest military in the world.
Why would you ever give him the benefit of the doubt here?
It pains me to give trump the benifit of doubt greatly
then don’t?
but I’d love to see some solid evidence of it not being drug smugglers
it’s pretty hard to get evidence from an exploded small boat, sunk in the ocean… not counting that proving negatives is fairly hard (which is why that’s not how evidence works)… how do you “prove” to me you are not a drug smuggler?
Completely agree. I think that they’d be waving it about if they did.
Exactly what I would imagine haha
They can tell how many they killed, but no actual eviidence of drugs in the wreckage while counting bodies??
IR cameras are good at counting bodies.
That’s the neat part! They can’t! No one is counting bodies in person, this is all remote us murder, as is tradition.
So how do they know how many victims were aboard?
Same way they knew about enemy casualties in any conflict, they “estimate” from observed data before they pull the trigger.
FYI did you know that the us claimed 1.1 million kills in Vietnam? The Vietnamese claim less then 500,000 where killed (with many many more civilians killed)
Almost like a distraction from the epstein files.
There are more than one issues going on.
Not everything is. Besides pedophiles, they’re also actual fascists.
It’s insane that they aren’t, at worst, intercepting and searching these vessels. As with everything Trump does, cruelty is the point.
This man is a convicted felon that is sloppily trying to cover up the fact he sexually abused children (Epstein Files), along with the full support of the republican party. And the GOP (politicians and voters alike) are complicit with these crimes as long as they agree he should not be punished.
We, the sane people in this world, will never forget these facts.
You guys seem to blissfully ignore the fact that democracies are built one bombing at a time.
You seem to ignore how democracies actually work.
Let me guess, you think democracy is “vote for my preference or else” right?
In a real democracy, voters have a choice, not a hostage situation. The democrats are a part of this problem with the republicans.
Electoral Reform Videos
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems
I just explained it to you. Just look at the Middle East for example after example of successful democracies built by bombs, not votes.
Democracy existed before bombs.
They are being sarcastic.
I am not sure about that, and they do have a point about modern “democracy” spread by the barrel of a gun. The US is quite found of overthrowing supposedly anti-democratic governments and installing dictators (see Iran and most of South America). This is obviously not democracy, but the Neo liberals/cons will claim that is what they are doing.
I was just pointing out that ancient democracies did exist before the perversion that we see before us today. Perhaps I am just idealizing societies like ancient Greece though.
Their comment on the middle east is definitely sarcastic. There are no functioning democracies in the middle east that resulted from a US bombing campaign, except maybe Iraq, though I don’t think they’ll keep it to maturity.
They didn’t say US bombing, they said bombing
That makes sense. Thanks.
Not recognizing ICC, regime change, illegal killing of foreign civilians, supporting genocidal regimes, invading other countries, carpet bombing nations, incarcerating their own population, killing eachother in mass shootings, biggest per capita contribution to climate change.
American exceptionalism isn’t doing us any good.
But ooh nooo China, please Europe, fear China… We are your ‘allies’.
It’s murder for political optics plain and simple.
Exactly.
Yeah, but that is the case for a LOT of murder done by both states and individuals. I’m in no way saying that to lessen how bad it is, if anything it should give people pause to reflect on how bad many things they don’t see as bad are.
WAR_CRIMES
If they claim they know that these boats have drugs on them, they could just apprehend them when they made port.
But then they would have to actually find said drugs to use as evidence to prosecute them.
This is just extrajudicial murder, plain and simple. I hope Trump and everyone who is involved with this dies an excruciatingly painful death.
But then they would have to actually find said drugs to use as evidence to prosecute them.
It’s not like those can’t be planted. They’re already killing civilians of another country, there’s no bottom in their games.
If they claim they know that these boats have drugs on them, they could just apprehend them when they made port
That would require due process, instead of a spectacle of Shock and Awe.
Also, let’s say, hypothetically that these aren’t drug boats. Let’s say they are boats moving medical supplies or fuel or building materials between Venezuela and Cuba. Let’s say they’re actually military units working on behalf of the Venezuelan Coast Guard or just fisherman who got caught in an international crossfire.
It’s just easier to say “Drug Gang. Killed them.” knowing no major American media source is going to publish a rebuttal. Nobody in the US has access to the details of the attack. Nobody is going to interview the families or investigate the wreckage. Nobody is going to contradict this regime when it comes to butchering citizens of the Global South.
So why not call them a drug gang? Call them human traffickers. Call them roving nautical pedophiles. Call them Islamic Jihad.
American audiences won’t hear anything different.
Imagine if they’ were actually human traffickers, and these assholes have been blowing up the victims as well.
They were probably poor people somehow indebted to the cartels and had no choice to do what they were told.
Israeli tier foreign policy
So where the drugs?
Davy Jones Locker
that’s the beauty of it. there aren’t any!
On the streets
