Its sad how western colonial imperialists will try describe ethnic cleansing as a good or necessary thing.

As I suggested, the idea is and always has been to force palestinians out from Palestine, so they can be denied the right to ever return to thier homeland

In the exact way Israel has done to thousands of palestinians before and were all supposed to pretend we can’t see exactly what we’re looking at.

Also, “war” implies either side could win. This isn’t a war, its ethnic cleansing, for the express purpose of illegally colonising stolen land.

I don’t remember saying that skill shortages don’t exist.

Israel declaring everyone should just leave is great and everything but where is safe for them to go?

Its just, to me, the only places they seem to be able to go that might be safe are outside of Palestine but maybe I’m just being cynical.

I agree with the first part.

The second has some truth but peoples frustration isn’t that there is some immigration. More so, despite their claims, there isn’t a skill shortage of unskilled workers which should’ve always been self refuting. However, there is a shortage of companies who will pay people enough to do the work they want people to do.

When its framed like the above, it frames it as the choices are a) exactly as it is no or b) no migrant workers, even if that’s not what you meant to say.

I hope you agree, the problem isnt the tiny number of people coming here illegally. Its not great but it was largely a deliberately manufactured problem.

The real problem we have no is that every company, post brexit, can now claim that their refusal to pay market rate wages or the provide meaningful training to anyone is the same as a skill shortage. This, of course, means their only possible option these hard done by entrepreneurs can do is import someone in for far less than what they should be paying for that work to be done in the UK.

Before brexit, they had pay enough for someone to want to move from, say, Italy leaving their family and friends behind to start a new life. Now, they only have to offer more than the going rate of the global south.

The problems were seeing are directly a result of letting corporations run riot over our immigration policy for years which has lead to some serious problems.

Just to be clear, I don’t blame anyone for wanting to come here for a better life. I didn’t choose to be born here.

No no, they dont call them kings. They call them wealth creators and, despite worshipping them in much the same way, them ruling their offices in much the same way and literally just being a financial aristocracy, I’m told its a totally different thing.

Better for whom exactly?

This is why we need a proper, fact based education about empire and the damage it caused the world, even if it gets dismissed as “woke” by ignorant flag shaggers.

Its great work and I’m not looking to take anything away from them but I meant more direct action than Ireland, South Africa or anyone else is comfortable doing, with what America would do to them if they did.

I mean like, as in if their neighbours try to stop their neighbours from being killed.

Never before in human history have such heinous war crimes been so thoroughly documented.

And the world stands by and does nothing.

Tbf, anyone who tried would be liberated back into the stone ages. They’d be liberated so hard, their great-grandchildren will still be hurting from it.

Imo, the most egregious would be the tories forcing the UK to sell its controlling share in BP, the very second we discovered ALL the oil in the North Sea for a fraction of its cost.

If Putin, trump, Johnson, Blair or Starmer had done it, they would know exactly what they were looking at: corruption.

Theres nothing we can do within our legal framework. If we had any justice in this country, they’d be doing some very hard time.

Edit: although the figures here are a great example of why you should ignore most large companies profit figures. They fiddle them, making them next to useless. If you don’t have access to their cash flow, dividends payouts cuts through the BS just as well.

…consisting of guys born to a fantastic level of wealth who all have to pretend inequality doesn’t exist in any capacity what so ever in order to make any of their theories work.

A little but what most people don’t seem to be aware of is that most war spending far outstrips what was spent on lockdown etc. Yet, for some reason, this lesser amount is meant to be the cause of all economic misfortune right now.

Countries can cope with things like that well enough. The problem is, we’re no longer taxing the rich to pay for things, the way we always used to, anymore and most counties have been asset stripped by those very same people they used to tax properly.

They’re going to build right up to the river they told everyone to get north of.

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Again, if you want to make up your own definition of middle class, then you’re right.

By everyone else’s, you’re not.

The rest is just noise.

But some who has earned a penny in interest has spent time as both worker and owner.

Its not that you’ve shifted it. I agree there. Its that your using sweeping terms that include things like earning a penny in interest that, in order to not sound ridiculous, has to have caveated to a point that:

No, the idea is that the middle class (defined in the conventional way) spends time in both the “worker” category and the “owner” category.

Doesn’t reflect where it ends up at all.

Also, its not the conventional way. You 100% made that up and what you’re describing is petite bougouise.

From wiki

The modern usage of the term “middle-class”, however, dates to the 1913 UK Registrar-General’s report, in which the statistician T. H. C. Stevenson identified the middle class as those falling between the upper-class and the working-class.[13] The middle class includes: professionals, managers, and senior civil servants. The chief defining characteristic of membership in the middle-class is control of significant human capital while still being under the dominion of the elite upper class, who control much of the financial and legal capital in the world.

It would be a very small amount, compared to what they earn over their lifetime. The idea that someone is middle class because they’ve earned a penny in bank interest is absurd.

Or are you planning on coming back with a load of caveats you conveniently left out previously?

It will also bring down inflation as money received as tax is netted off against money created by the government, destroying that money, resulting in less money chasing things. Its the fiat currency equivalent of burning large stacks of gold IOUs (old time money).

Of course, the rich like to pretend the only way to fight inflation is to pay the richest people in the world eye watering amounts of interest.

I have to admire the brazenness with which you made up your own utterly unfounded definition of the term “middle class” then, immediately after being called out for it, accuse the person who hadn’t provided any definition of the term of doing exactly what you had just done.

Thats some advanced level bad faith engagement right there.

Its not my definition. Its a different school of thought that has stood up to scrutiny. It is different to what a lot of people would refer to as middle class and, of course, different again from what you, personally describe middle class to be.

I don’t really recognise a middle class but, if one is to exist, it is simply the middle earners of people who work for their money and they’re predominantly white collar workers. That’s all there is to it. What you described is petite bougouise and may well be middle class but not all middle class people are petite bougouise.

Thats not not what middle class means.

The edit doesn’t really show why it would effect poor people disproportionately. Also, no one should be surprised that vacant homes in the ass end of alaska have very little effect on rates of homelessness.