Yeah, no one in here is claiming they know 100% who did it.

But it would make sense if SK did. They have the motivation and potentially the means.

That’s what Spain’s investigation thought was most likely

To prevent the literal unpredictable madman neighbour with a mortal vendetta against you from getting a nuclear reactor.

Also, Russia already has super cavitating torpedoes, and there’s not necessarily that much to learn from their pieces after impact.

Not saying a limpet mine isn’t likely, but this also feels like exactly why SK is developing those torpedoes.

1. the article is a year old, so those statements were made at least a year ago, 2) militaries aren’t always super up front about their weapons programs timelines 3) the statement specifically said that even though it was “2/3” of the way through development, it had been tested. How do you know this wasn’t the test?

It could have been Ukraine, but Ukraine does not have super cavitating torpedoes, so if that’s the case the reporting on those and the shape charges must be wrong.

Let me just leave this here:

South Korea’s ADD showcases new Supercavitating Torpedo at MADEX 2025

ADD said that the development of this supercavitating torpedo is currently about two-thirds complete, and that after further maturing the torpedo’s stabilization control technology, it will finally secure the design and testing technology of the test body.

…The MRXUUV (Mission Reconfigurable eXtra-large Unmanned Underwater Vehicle) currently under development by ADD could serve as testbed.

According to an interview with the ADD chief researcher, the supercavitating torpedo displayed at MADEX 2025 is an actual tested torpedo, designed in size to fit in a UUV, capable of being guided (in the initial phase of the launch, at low speed), and is being developed to sink enemy main surface ships with ultra-high-speed kinetic energy without a warhead.

The publicly released timeline doesn’t line up, but the motivations do.

Where did I say this?

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The US pumped massive percentages of its GDP into

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Which changes absolutely nothing from the perspective of NATO

Lmao yes it does. It only doesn’t if you declare “I’m ignoring this information”, and stick your head in the sand.

That’s not reasoning, that’s weaponized incompetence.

Let’s remember that the US has been, by far, the richest country in the world since the world wars, largely because it stayed out of them til the ends, and issued massive loans to European countries that they continued to profit off of for decades and decades.

You talk about GDP percentage, as if every country had a similar GDP per capita, and could this afford to spend similarly. The reality is that the US had more then enough money to both fund its military and fund its social programs, but it chose to instead fund the military and the already wealthy.

I mean, we know for a fact that they used Palantir’s system for planning the invasion which is an automated intelligence analysis system.

That alone makes it entirely possible for them to have information and not know about it, on top of all the other existing ways that information can be compartmentalized, or thorough analysis and double checking can be skipped.

We do know that the US was targeting the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corp (IRGC), and the school is in an IRGC compound.

The most likely explanation seems to be that they intended to target an IRGC building, but instead hit the school. Whether that’s an issue with the missile’s guidance system, the plane’s targeting system, outdated maps, or a flaw in whatever process the military is using to select targets, is unknown.

It’s of course, possible that the US intentionally bombed a little girls school, but it seems somewhat unlikely. Even the most hawkish war mongerers recognize that randomly slaughtering hundreds of school girls is not going to gain support for your war.

Also a fair point

Why the hell would you sail a warship around without any munitions…?

Because they were invited to an international naval exercise that required them to be unarmed…

Yeah, no one’s arguing that whoever was ordered to push the button was ordered to push the button, the point is that it was a shitty order to give.

It’s also rich to be like “we had to attack them, we’re at war”, when you illegally and unilaterally started the war several days earlier.

I mean fair point, I can’t find any info on whether or not anyone verifies that the ships are unloaded or if it’s self reported. And it does seem unlikely that a nation would let another country inspect it’s warship.

If they had no intelligence of the ammunition situation (doubt) it could be risky to try to board a warship.

I mean, there’s literally no way the US didn’t know it was on the way back from an ammo-less exercise. The Indian naval exercises were very public, with 74 countries participating.

Wow that’s fucked up on multiple levels.

1. to attack a literally defenseless warship … Could you not have, you know, boarded it instead? Forced it to surrender? Feels like at that point you can just threaten to do what you did and they would have to comply.

2. if you’ve seen the released periscope footage of the attack, and realize that that explosion was fully from the torpedo and not from an ammo store blowing, it makes it look that much more like an intentional massacre. Is there really no smaller munition on board that sub that can be used to disable a defenseless target?

Tha’ts more of a goal than a plan.

We should do this regardless

I mean, what’s your alternative competent plan for dealing with the cartels?

How about Canada And Mexico sign agreements with Europe, Latin America, and the TPP and see how the US manages without being able to exploit anyone?

Canadians don’t need the US, they have literally 10x the natural resources per capita. The US is not negotiating from a position of power.

No shit sherlock.

Tehran has more than one suburb, and Tehran also isn’t the only city in Iran. If there are 400 bodies in one suburban morgue, and you extrapolate across the country, you’d hit 12,000 very fast.