Each of them only does it once, and thinks it’s just a matter of luck when it happens to someone else

Lol the Fraser Institute is an absolute fucking joke.

If people hated the bill on it’s own, then shouldn’t it be less popular than Trudeau?

No.

Therefore anything connected with him is going to have an inherent downward swing of opinion due to the association? Right?

No.

These relationships can exist, but it’s not the case that they must exist. We know through polling what the favorability is of the CT: low. We know through polling how well understood it is: poor. We know through polling that people who don’t understand it are much more inclined to view it unfavorably. We already have a very straightforward explanation.

Adding in Trudeau is adding a 3rd variable into the mix to explain something that’s already been explained. And when you add him it, you have to start inventing justifications to make things align with his numbers.

It is the antithesis of Occam’s razor

My argument is I think I don’t think a dislike of Trudeau is driving the unpopularity of the carbon tax. My argument is that misunderstanding of the carbon tax is driving the unpopularity of the carbon tax.

And my rationale is what you’re saying: why is the CT MORE popular than Trudeau if hatred for Trudeau is why the CT is is unpopular? I agree, it DOESN’T follow.

I think we roughly agree. The point I’m trying to make is that I think arguments around it being tied to just hating Trudeau are overblown. Even when Trudeau was net positive the carbon tax was net negative.

I think people’s perception of the carbon tax are based on their understanding of the carbon tax. I don’t people’s view of Trudeau significantly factor into it, at least not directly.

Conservatives are most likely to see it unfavorably. They’re most likely to not understand it. They might ALSO be more likely to see Trudeau unfavorably… But that’s kinda post hoc ergo propter hoc IMO

Maybe. But if it was that simple then I’d expect it to be at least as unfavorable as Trudeau.

I think it’s just people don’t understand it, and I think that’s frankly the fault of the liberals.

People hear “tax” and go “shit that’s a thing I have to pay, right?” And “carbon” and say “my home is heated by natural gas and I drive to work” and then say “the government wants to tax me not to freeze and to get to work?” And then they don’t connect the dots that the money that keeps getting direct deposited to them by the government is funded by the tax.

Like, if it was called “The Climate Bonus Payment” and the government had a little fucking fanfare around the distribution, it’d be wildly popular.

Canada-wide, it’s at -8 in terms of favorability.

Even if you attribute that to ignorance of how it works or even flat out hatred of Trudeau, it still isn’t popular. That is the political reality. It is GENERALLY unpopular.

Considering Trudeaus favorability ratings are currently like, -30, it’s actually significantly more popular than Trudeau himself, which makes me skeptical that the driving force really is just a dislike of Trudeau

Wow sweet did we provide any?

Has your account been hacked?

Quick fuck you to everyone who thought I was being dramatic a decade ago.

Paywalled, but I suspect it’s in relation to a video where the governor started talking about the depth and breadth of the incursion.

Putin cuts him of and says that the military rep on the call will give that update, and that his expectation from the governor is to update on the social aspect of the situation… Something like that.