That is outrageous! It’s unfair!

if I were there would be proof that’s why your example is a false equivalence.

Not necessarily. This is lemmy, you’re on a completely anonymous account. I wouldn’t expect to have any proof.

Maybe you just didn’t get caught yet.

If the Christian God exists, for example, there would be no way of knowing for certain

I was willing to grant you the philosophical God argument, but if you want to evoke the Christian God you’re now making a whole bunch of positive claims.

Why don’t we look at the evolutionary record and see whether all of humanity comes from Adam and Eve or if animals evolved from a common ancestor?

We can look for evidence of a flood, or an exodus and see there is none.

We can track the history of Yahweh, and how he was syncretized with El and Baal from Caananite faiths, and morphed over centuries from a local Storm/war God to the only God.

The early Israelites engaged in polytheistic practices that were common across ancient Semitic religion, because the Israelite religion was a derivative of the Canaanite religion and included a variety of deities from it, including El, Asherah, and Baal. Initially a lesser deity among the Cannanite pantheon, Yahweh in later centuries became conflated with El; Yahweh took on El’s place as head of the pantheon of the Israelite religion, El’s consort Asherah, and El-linked epithets, such as ʾĒl Šadday (אֵל שַׁדַּי‎), came to be applied to Yahweh alone. Characteristics of other deities, such as Asherah and Baal, were also selectively absorbed in conceptions of Yahweh.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

We can compare the contradictions between the behavior of the Old Testament God and Jesus to conclude like early Christians such as Marcion of Sinope Yahweh and Christianity are incompatible

Study of the Hebrew Bible, along with received writings circulating in the nascent Church, led Marcion to conclude that many of the teachings of Jesus were incompatible with the actions of Yahweh, characterized as the belligerent god of the Hebrew Bible. Marcion responded by developing a ditheistic system of belief around the year 144.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope

We can compare the Gospels and see where they copied stories from the Iliad/Odyssey.

Odyssey Location Mark Location

Athena descends like a bird 1.319-324 Spirit descends like a dove 2:1-2 Sailors volunteer to follow Athena 2.383-413 Fishermen volunteer to follow Jesus 1:16-20 Nestor’s feast for 4500 men 3.1-68 Jesus’s feast for 5000 men 6:30-44 Menelaus’s wedding feast 4.1-67 Jesus’s feast for 4000 8:1-9 Odysseus enters city behind mules 6.252-261 Jesus enters city on an ass 11:1-11 Alcinous’s prolific figs trees 7.112-121 Jesus curses unprolific fig tree 11:12-14 Blind Demodocus among sailors 8.471-473 Blind man at “House-of-fisherman” 8:22-26 Lotus-eating, forgetful comrades 9.62-107 Forgetful disciples at sea 8:19-21 Polyphemus the cave-dweller 9.105-525 Dangerous demoniac from caves 5:1-20 Aeolus’s bag of winds and gale 10.1-55 Jesus calms winds and sea 4:35-41 Cannibals at the harbor 10.76-136 Hostile Pharisees at the harbor 8:10-13 Following a water carrier to dinner 10.100-116 Following a water carrier to dinner 14:12-16 Circe turns soldiers into swine 10.135-465 Jesus sends demons into swine 5:1-20 Odysseus’s last supper before Hades 10.546-561 Jesus’s last super and Gethsemane 14:32-42 Death of young Elpenor 10.546-560 Flight of naked young man 14:43-52 Blind seer Tiresias 11.90-94 Blind seer Bartimaeus 10:46-52 Death of Agamemnon at a feast 11.409-430 Death of the Baptist at a feast 6:14-29 Burial of Elpenor at dawn 12.1-5 Young man at tomb at dawn 16:1-4 Eurylochus’s vow 12.298-305 Peter’s vow 14:26-31 Eurylochus’s broken vow 12.367-396 Peter’s broken vow 14:66-72 Eumaeus’s Phoenician nurse 15.417-491 Syrophoenician woman 7:24-30 Odysseus’s transfiguration 16.172-301 Jesus’s transfiguration 9:2-13 Suitors plot to kill Telemachus 16.383-385 Vinedressers kill the beloved son 12:1-12 Conspiracy to kill Telemachus 17.182-213 Conspiracy to kill Jesus 14:10-11 Penelope’s hospitality 17.534-547 Generous widow at temple 12:41-42 Irus the beggar 18.1-94 Barabbas the brigand 15:6-15 Telemachus’s amazement at house 19.35-43 Disciples’ amazement at temple 13:1-2 Penelope’s request for a sign 19.102-271 Disciples’ request for a sign 13:3-8 Prophetic oak at Dodona 19.296-307 Prophetic fig tree 13:28-31 Eurycleia washes her master 19.370-575 Woman anoints Jesus 14:3-9 Eurycleia’s recognition of Odysseus 19.474-486 Peter’s recognition of the Messiah 8:27-30 Odysseus slays suitors in his house 22.17-86 Jesus expels merchants from temple 11:15-19 Contested authority over the house 22.221-233 Contested authority over the temple 11:27-33 Odysseus hacks to death evil slave 22.474-477 Bystander slices off a slave’s ear 14:43-5

https://testimonia.pl/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/MacDonald.Mimesis.pdf

Or also where they contradict each other

If you spend enough time focusing on the truth of this you will eventually conclude you cannot prove your belief like they cannot prove theirs so neither side has anything demonstrable.

I don’t think theist Christians would agree with that though. Quoting Tertullian:

We do not worship your gods, because we know that there are no such beings. This, therefore, is what you should do: you should call on us to demonstrate their non-existence, and thereby prove that they have no claim to adoration; for only if your gods were truly so, would there be any obligation to render divine homage to them. And punishment even were due to Christians, if it were made plain that those to whom they refused all worship were indeed divine. But you say, They are gods. We protest and appeal from yourselves to your knowledge; let that judge us; let that condemn us, if it can deny that all these gods of yours were but men.

https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0301.htm

When it comes to a philosophical creator god I agree with your statement, this view describes agnostic atheism.

The assertion that there is no God cannot be proven as you cannot prove a negative.

Correct, no one argued that.

There assertion that there is a divine entity cannot be logically demonstrated in any valid way logically speaking.

Correct again.

The validity of either claim cannot be tested and thus have the same overall value and it is a matter of which you choose to accept.

Do you really mean that?

If I were to accuse you of something terrible like being a child molester with absolutely zero evidence…

That’s valid? You can deny it, but your denial is of equal value to my accusation right? So if everyone in this comment section chooses to believe you molester children from now on… do you have a problem with that?

The reason I’m an atheist is the same reason I don’t believe you’re a child molester yet. I think there is a burden of proof of evidence that would need to be met before the accusation needs to be taken seriously.

Lmao, k

If the question is things “only” old people say, you have to exclude phrases old people say that were repopularized through media.

“Heavy” (meaning important, grave)

For example this is a really quotable line from Back to the Future, so kids would pick it up.

Yea not serious.

Authority means force.

Your dentist does not have the ability, to force you to do anything. They are an “authority” in the sense they know a lot about teeth so we willingly ask them for help.

That is clearly not the same type of authority being discussed in authoritarianism.

Stop comparing Hitler to your dentist.

What? Take the discussion seriously.

We don’t confer power to them. I am the authority and I consent to the dentist cleaning my teeth but the second I say “no” their ability to operate is taken away.

Try telling “no” to a cop trying to arrest you.

A dentist has no authority over you. If you choose not to brush your teeth they can’t force you to, they can’t do dental work unless you willingly seek them put and consent.

A plumber has not authority to enter your home or mess with your plumbing unless you invite them in.

You’re misusing the word “authority” and applying it out of context.

Military service is compulsory for Jews and Druze, both men and women, and for Circassian men. The active-duty period is 32 months for men and 24 months for women, followed by reserve duty until age 40.

If they’re Israeli simply check if they’re younger than 50.

They are asking random Israelis.

Did you not read the comment above you? They ask people who served in the military.

Israel has mandatory military service for all citizens so that’s probably why “randomly Israelis” may be screened. They’re ex-military.

Haha fair, that fits the definition of Lost-like, but I was thinking of that narrow era of network mystery boxes that popped up in the immediate aftermath of Lost chasing its success.

No matter how good they were, none of them were Lost so they got canceled. (Except for Fringe thank god)

From at least gets to live outside that shadow.

Ah yes, the Lost-likes.

Manifest, Fast Forward, Continuum, Revolution, Terra Nova… loved them all. All of them canceled.

The Man from Earth

B4

Triangle

Time Lapse

Daybreakers

Evolution

Knowing

Donating all their assets to the needy is actually supposed to be an alignment of goals, and that’s why progressives find the church so frustrating.

You can get better at IQ tests by doing more of them and learning the patterns, right?

Yes. That is considered to “invalidate” an IQ test, but it’s not usually an issue since the tests are typically administered to children.

IQ tests are basically only used in the context of individualized education plans for young school children (or for MENSA membership).

So it’s basically measuring how au fair you are with logic puzzles rather than anything particularly intrinsic.

The fundamental issue of testing is that no test can objectively determine intrinsic properties.

But no, a full IQ test done by a psychologist tests a lot more than “puzzles”, including things like memory tests and even fine motor skills or hand eye coordination.

When I was tested they found I scored really high in the pattern recognition stuff and memory tests, but my writing was slow and sloppy and below average.

As part of my individualized education plan I was allowed extra time on tests as well as study aids such as text to speech tools because of this.

The ultimate purpose of the IQ tests is to get a general idea of the strengths and weaknesses in certain area.

Excellent memory, and quick intuitive problem solving, like in my case, can compensate and mask ADHD symptoms like trouble focusing. These tests helped reveal that at an early age.

I think a lot of people think of IQ tests like they’re “how objectively smart are you” when really they’re used to find out which areas you need help in with your education/life so we can provide kids with that support.

I don’t think you’d want to go into the future after the point time travel was invented because then other time travellers will have been messing with the timeline back and forth a million ways.

Abuse isn’t the solution to miseducation.

Many have told me about “their god” and I take their word for it.

Resultantly I believe in all of “their gods”.

I’m following so far

And I drew a conclusion about that guy.

What do you mean “that guy”. I thought we just established these are multiple guys?

I think “god” is a piece of shit unworthy of praise and we should seek to destroy and erase it.

What do you mean “it”? Don’t you mean “them”?

I hate god and have no respect for god-fearing people and no tolerance for their “beliefs”

Why are you talking about a singular God here? It reads like you’re blaming Yahweh for Zeus’ sexual behaviour and you’re blaming Hanuman for the Great Flood.

These aren’t the same character. Each “God” claim needs to be evaluated separately.

For example why do you hate Persephene so much? Why is she a piece of shit. You claim to believe in her right Your reasons shouldn’t include examples from the Bible.

Which supernatural make-believe system (read: religion ) is tolerant of my supernatural make-believe system?

You might find company among the Satanic Temple or other Satanists.

You said “Buddhism” was ruled out but you didn’t actually clarify so until you present your reasoning I’d say Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism and Jainism all lacking God’s are partially compatible.

I mean to be fair there’s not going to be a great answer because this isn’t a real question but a gotcha. And I say that as an atheist.

You obviously don’t actually believe in all the gods, your earlier language shows you haven’t thought enough about what that means and force them all into the same one God.

The Hittites believed in “all the gods” and absorbed every new God of neighbors they conquered. But they truly believed in these gods, not as a gotcha question but they really believed in the power of these entities.

Regardless of personal moral views on their behavior, outwardly taunting that being seems silly in light of genuine faith.

But times change and the cost of free tier users surpasses that of paying users. Should the company continue providing the same level of service for free tier users?

“Times changing” here seems to be the central trick to the argument.

What’s interesting about enshittification is that as the company gets more and more profitable there seems to be more and more excuses as to why these free features are so costly.

It’s very easy for a company to put out a statement that times are changing and that the free tier is unaffordable. Is that always true? Who’s to say?

I’m sure sometimes it is true but the doubt is why arguments like this will never go away.

Also, what other term than entitlement would you use for somebody gets something for free, is not promised that it will stay free forever, the free offering is cancelled or limited, and the user starts complaining?

What other term than incompetent would you use for a company that puts out a free product, attracts a bunch of free users, abruptly cuts access for those features and puts it behind a paywall, and then acts surprised when those same users complain about it.

If you want to make a business move go ahead, it’s your right, but accept the complaints from your user base you predictably pissed off.