We aren’t talking about 1000s of years ago, or even weeks ago. They are still creating illegal settlements and displacing everyone else. They haven’t even kept to their own stolen borders.

Modern Ashkenazi Jews are not ancient Israelis.

They looked a lot more like the Palestinians. IMO religion as a race is stupid anyways

What I’m saying is that the Palestinians were actively displaced, in recent history. I’m not arguing who has right to land, just that up and deciding a handful of decades ago that people need to move is not the right call.

Yeah I wish more people could have that level of nuance. Hamas suck, agreed, Israel really is fueling them. Imagine how different this would look of Israel stood with the world after October 7th and were peaceful. Suddenly Hamas would have been public enemy #1.

But Israel jumped the shark and used it instead as a pretext for ethnic cleansing.

My brother, I’m saying that the British had colonial ownership of that land and carved out the area, displacing people in the process for Ashkenazi Jews that did not live there before WW2.

You are clearly a bad faith actor that doesn’t follow up on any of my inquires, and after having given you the benefit of the doubt in assuming your good faith, I’m blocking you.

Israel, as a currently established state is literally a product of displacing Palestinians dictated by English Colonial Mandate.

The dissolution of Palestine was always on the table from the outset.

And let’s for a moment entertain the notion that Hamas is responsible for their ethnic cleansing in its entirety. How do you explain what’s happening right now in the West Bank?

The horrors of October 7th are being used a a pretext.

Hamas sucks in totality, but they only have any ounce of power because they are filling the vaccum created by Israel’s oppression. Weve already sonw this (the US), in our war on terror. I’ll put it this way, If Israel was peaceful, they’d have the entire worlds support right now instead of practically nobody except the US. Hamas would be public enemy #1 if Israel didn’t use that event as an excuse for genocide.

That’s irrelevant. Because, as I said, the choices are absolute shit rulers or complete destruction. You are seeming to think I’m arguing Hamas are the good guys here.

When presented with the choice of destruction by Israel or a horrific theocratic regime, they are making the only choice available.

Harm Reduction. If Israels goal was to help the Palestinian people, they would be using the carrot rather than the genocidal stick.

You want me to prove a negative?

“Prove that they don’t want to kill themselves”

Hardly a cogent argument you are making. Absolute insanity. Let’s assume for a moment that their intention is to get themselves all killed, which again is ludicrous. How does that excuse Israel’s actions?

How does Israel actions, to my point, not strengthen Hamas recruitment and power?

A person with no options is going to choose the better of two evils. Hamas wants to rule over them. Israel wants to wipe them off the map.

Its always the same people that advocate for harm reduction with our votes that say stuff like this.

The only option here is for one of the two side to be better, and I feel it’s incumbent on Israel as long as they are recieving our weapons.

That’s the only reason any of us care over here in the US, frankly, is that we are suddenly all morally culpable. In the hypothetical Candian invasion circumstance, I would absolutely side with “Not Canada” if given an option.

I’m saying when you have no outlet for justice, you will side with whatever is the next best option. It’s what all these harm reductionists say here in the states about voting.

You side with the best of two options, and hamas, even if just slightly, is better for Palestinians than Israel.

I’d be a lot easier to just objectively say “fuck Hamas”, if Israel wasn’t being their #1 recruitment officer by making life in Palestine and the West Bank hell.

I’m telling you that if, say, Canada came and occupied my home town, forced everyone out, and killed my family, that I’d definitely be an anti Canadian terrorist.

Addition: How is this being downvoted. Violence begets terrorists. Have we learned nothing from historical US intervention in the middle east? This is Israel’s “War on Terror” and its going to end the same way. Tons of dead brown people and many many more terrorists.