Very informative!

Efficiency - 4 miles per kWh minimum. Obviously that’s for saloon / hatchback. Something like model y size 3.5 is acceptable. And this is something I want to verify myself, very few cars achieved this in my test drive.

Key less entry - I’m too used to it. I don’t want to go back to having to carry keys. I leave the house with just my phone and watch, both can pay for things and open things. They’re locked behind my biometrics so I deem it safe.

Sentry + dashcam - again, this is minimum in today’s day and age to me. The car should always be recording. I’m not getting 3d party camera in a car I already paid +40k for.

Fleet control - this is very country dependent. I can charge my car using wall plug and get super cheap rate or use a dummy charger which isn’t connected to my electricity supplier and the car will let them know how much electricity the car used and it’ll adjust on my bill. In quantifiable terms, this is a saving of 1/4th of charging cost or one of payment of £900 for installing compatible charger per location.

Boot space - I have family, space is needed. The easiest thing for cars to achieve really.

Software - be it accurate navigation, route planning or the touch and feel of it. Tesla Navigation is one I have most experience in. But I have serious confidence in it. I have arrived at home with 0% charge several times because the car said it could. It also got us through insane storm where it also accurately calculated the extra battery drain due to elevation and wind. Do other cars do it? Do they do it well? I know one thing, using Google / apple car play circumvent the in car navigation and charge networks so the built in map is actually important. One day hopefully they start supporting cars and then it’ll be non issue.

People hate on screen only, but I genuinely have never had problems with it. My wife also has no issues opening glove box, adjusting AC or changing songs or putting gps…

Driver safety - this is fairly high on the list of things which will male me hate the car. When you watch a car review. Pay attention to when they say “it’s super easy to turn off driver attention system!” THAT is a red flag. A car shouldn’t have such abysmal safety measures they’re annoying and you need to turn them off each drive because they self turn on. MG has the most annoying one and the dealer HAS LITERALLY TURN THEM OFF IN FRONT OF ME before letting me drive the car. I can’t express how bad some of these are.

Auto steer and cruise control - pretty much standard now days. I don’t need FSD, just simple keep this speed and don’t crash and on motorway, keep in the lane for me. Tesla autopilot is very good but others have come a long way over the 8 years.

Look - I want a sporty looking car and interior I want it to be leather like feel, no fabric, no tacky “recycled” look. I’m paying serious money and I want some comfort. It’s a low bar and pretty much any car I’ve test driven in the price range has been good enough comfort wise. I personally like minimalistic, but I’m not opposed to say the Taycan level.

This has been fun to type out. I hope it makes sense. There were many cars which almost made it. I’m waiting for Xpeng test drive which promises all these things. So we shall see. Our model 3 has 91k on it. It’s still a great car and if we need to spend another 3 years with it waiting for something new? That’s fine.

I don’t want to talk down your purchase since you clearly like it. But Mach e isn’t exactly a great representation of how to do EVs.

Their regen is really not right. It’s also really not a good battery system and suffers above average battery degradation. Not 100% sure what went wrong or if the car I drove with 10k was some sort of lemon… But I really did not like it. The screen, the windscreen being so tiny… I give them that, the car was comfortable to sit in but the suspension didn’t impress me, it really swayed a lot in our curvy roads.

I do the same 25 mile trip in every test car. It had worse efficiency than the taycan. Long term reviews seem to align with this experience. How do you find it? I think it has potential but came too early into the market and needs a face lift in order to compete. Hence you don’t see them on the road… I’m genuinely not sure what “performance” you speak of… Because it’s not speed, range or handling. Sure as fuck it ain’t good at charging!

Hyundai is the example of Korean car I mentioned.

European cars are only now starting to do something. But it’s just the renau plus Dacia and it’s only budget lines for now.

You can get Dacia for £11k, which is great; bit not for me.

You’re putting words in my mouth.

I didn’t say tesla is better because it’s all computer. There’s nothing but hostility coming from your comments, “cool story”, seriously dude? Back to 2009 are we?

I can have this conversation with people in real world, you mean to tell me Lemmy is good representation of public and public perception? If that’s the case. Tesla is already dead, we cured world hunger and trans people are no longer in danger, we did it Lemmy! This place is as much of a hive mind as is reddit or twitter. The same behavior just different opinion.

It really doesn’t matter why Tesla is superior. “All computer” is not some sort of sin when the “computer” is good. And here lies the duplicity of talking about tesla. Anything that’s worse is “dog shit” and everything that’s leading, is “all computer” and all computer is now bad? Your phone is all computer and has 3 buttons?

No one is ever going to make good faith arguments. Air con in EVs is a lot better than ice, that’s just facts. Good air con is set and forget. So is your wheel position. But you’ll see comments only pointing out how lack of buttons is so bad! Because shit air con requires constant adjustment? I have set my car at 21 degrees. It’s now at 91k miles, I have not touched it because it does what I told it to? Same with wheel position and mirrors, why would I need to adjust them?

I’m not sure what nissan you have that the suspension is that much superior, I have only driven their leaf, didn’t blow me away but I have no other point of reference for Nissan EVs… Is taycan suspension better than model 3? Absolutely. But as a package. Tesla app and “computer” offers features actually used by human owners.

People automatically jump at conclusion I’m shilling tesla. If I did, I would’ve bought highland or juniper. But I haven’t, they’re step down in certain ways, suspension is better (and can be fitted to older models) but other things are a down grade vs pre 2024 model.

But we cannot have an honest conversion because 1. Tesla is apparently the worst 2. Tesla will kill you, car literary sets itself ablaze the moment you enter it and 3. Internet just told us to ignore it.

I test drive cars for fun. I live in a very car dealership heaven, I have driven A LOT of EVs and I’ve yet to find an replacement for my 2021 model 3. As soon as one comes? I’ll buy it. Tesla is on downwards spiral. But I won’t ignore real world experience just because Musk is a Nazi and their cars are no longer an improvement over their existing models. The sooner we collectively accept that, the sooner European brands will get their shit together and the likes of VW group stop selling shit that looks identical to my old 2016 Skoda.

How original. Where were you told to accept mediocre alternatives and PLEASE JUST DO NOT COMPARE OUR CARS TO THE BEST SELLING ONE.

Leave your emotions at the door and we might actually get some improvement and alternatives that aren’t made by fucking China. Right now used model 3 is the best EV anyone can buy. But hey, you go ahead and buy your Volvo or VW and make sure to thumbs up all the people telling you they’re the best!

Xiaomi has a lot of issues with batteries and well… Handles. They’re prime reason for flush door handle ban. They’re also basically “overclocked” to reach spec sheet but are built schokingly poorly (people give Tesla crap for this, yet xiaomi gets a free pass?)

BYD is just behind. Tech is outdated, no remote Bluetooth 5.0 entry, no one pedal driving. Very aggressive safety measures which make the car more dangerous on the road. Not as efficient, I also found it to just lie to me on actual usage of its battery… It didn’t add up to what I used during my test drive and where the battery was for it to claim 3.9 kWH/mile

As to why tesla is the best? Nothing in UK currently compares to their cars from 2018. That’s just fact. No other car is as efficient and convenient. My 2021 model is still unbeatable when it comes to features. They have dropped the ball hard yet… Only until Xpeng did anyone start actually doing things Tesla drivers take for granted. I’m Scheduled for test drive and I will compare with my own two eyes as opposed to reading/watching biased reviews.

You can see comments and downvotes here alone, people here hate Tesla, that’s fine. I’m not buying another one from them either. But facts care not about feelings. They’re simply the gold standard we were told to… Ignore and not compare others to? Fuck that.

I could go on for what makes Tesla ahead, but I got a feeling you’re not asking in good faith.

Outdated.

Expensive.

Banking on eco friendly with recycled look, but aren’t actually all that eco.

Currently prone to being set ablaze, currently going through a recall.

SUPER INEFFICIENT. like one of the worst efficient cars I’ve test driven.

Super heavy, they cram inefficient batteries as they recycle ice bases and just increase the battery size = extra weight = extra cost to charge etc.

There’s a lot honestly. You got to compare it to what is out there right now. People tend to compare them to their current 10 year old car or are simply blind to the flaws. Genuinely, I wouldn’t recommend it or polestar to anyone unless you really like how they look and you care not about money.

Can we add Volvo to that list? Just go buy Korean brands.

Or cheap French, those are doing well.

Xenpeng is the first car to actually copy what’s making tesla the best EVs.

Stay the fuck away from likes of BYD AND XIAOMI.

Yeah that list is bullshit.

Yup. Older cars costing more to insure is yet another poor tax.

No, BYD will and is spending that money on advertising.

Tesla is still king in a lot of ways, but let’s even take any of the Korean brands, they wipe the floor with BYD when it comes to tech, range and quality.

BYD doesn’t even have 1 pedal driving. You and many here might not be experienced with EVs, but that’s a cardinal sin.

Yet you see any media on BYD, and not a peep about it? Curious is it not? Replace the name with xiaomi, as there’s always one cuck in these comments promoting them. Handles so bad, they’re making China ban flush handles. THAT’S how bad it is, they’re also prone to overheating even on their ultra models and catching fire at a scale, it’s making news. But hey, you go onto any comment section and you hear nothing about it but whole lot of anti Tesla slander.

Lucid and Rivian are the only ones chasing after Tesla tech and they’re still a decade behind looking at the recent lucid model.

Tesla gets a lot of political hate, but we shouldn’t dismiss the technological advances they made so every other brand gets to ride it out on their ancient shit (VW group).

I want a car like my 21 plate model 3, I don’t give a fuck if it’s European or American or Asian, as long as it’s not shady and not Chinese propaganda. My search continues, nothing comes close to convienience of Tesla and 91k miles in, I’ll continue running it till the wheels fall off.

So your response to “I don’t care about taxi that’s not going to be available to me” is to bring a truck to the discussion?..

Then you ramble on preferences and bring cruise control into this like every other car doesn’t have those and the screen being worse in 90% of the competition doesn’t exist, but that makes tesla bad?

Give me a fucking break, like I said, you’re rewriting reality. Go to Ford, I’m sure the screen being so far down at thigh level makes it so much safer! Or porche with their haptic screen? Or maybe let’s look at MG with everything behind hidden behind 4 menus? Oh while we’re at it! How come every car is now advertised as “its quick to turn off lane assist! Just takes few taps or dedicated button!” How about they make the lane assist actually work and not piss off the driver?

There were several cars I went to test drive where they turn it off before I got into the car.

But hey, Tesla has so many flaws! Not like they’re the most efficient and don’t need to have 30% bigger battery… No no no, that’s fine, we’ll ignore it, right? Because let me check notes… Ah yes, glove box is opened through screen. Pack it up boys, Tesla is done for. This guy came in and vaguely pointed irrelevant things to win the argument about personal cars.

Ah yes, robo taxi is what makes the car bad?

You’re not interested in an answer. You’ll just rewrite reality to fit your narrative. You can hate Elon and tesla all you want, doesn’t change the facts. As someone once said, science cares not about your opinion.

They’re not interested.

Robo taxi on the other side of the planet is meant to sway my opinion on the car…

VW cars are just so fucking behind it is laughable.

And you know what? So is Polestar/Volvo.

Don’t buy Chinese. Byd doesn’t even have 1 pedal driving.

While Tesla is still by far the most advanced tech car, you need £10 subscription to their network to get full use of their app. The likes of Korean manufacturers are really closing in the gap.

Porche is very unfortunate, Taycan is genuinely a lovely car, my best driving experience in EV… But they’re flawed in one crucial way… Thief magnets! Be it your lights or the car itself, not only are they prone for very low skill attacks, insurance is insane on them because of it.

Merc and BMW I think are just overpriced. While they’re not bad, they’re poor value for money.

I got no experience with Lucid or Rivian, but having chatted with genuine owners and watching reviews, they seem to be gunning for tesla at much higher price without delivering. Lucid software is plagued with bugs to this day.

Happy to answer any questions about EVs, it’s genuinely a fascinating scene and I’m lucky enough to be in dealership heaven, if a car manufacturer exists in the UK, I have a dealership 10 min away from me. I would suggest people to just go out and test drive! An hour or two of driving brand new car and having sales people kiss your ass, many got some good coffee.

Porche by far was the best “buying” experience. I was told to bring it back whenever as long as it’s back before closing. Only manufacturer to do it. Tesla offered overnight test drive which is also neat.

But Korea has been smashing it!

While I’ll continue to drive my Tesla, if I were forced to pick one, it’d like be a Korean EV. Europe is still very behind on tech.

I don’t like giving US credit… But all of that means nothing and is all speculative.

If US does one thing well? It’s invent shit so advanced, even when captured it can’t be reproduced. Russia has fallen flat on its face, where’s all that military might? You want me to believe China is that different? I’m having major doubts there. Hopefully I’m never proven wrong. Hopefully we never find out. But this sort of shit was said before Ukraine invasion yet here we are…