I wonder how much of that territory trump negotiated for himself. And do you think he consulted Zelensky? Cause I’m pretty sure that guy said the peace talks will only start at returning territory and self determination.

Here’s to hoping everyone else continues to arm Ukraine, it has been the single best investment into the fight against Russian tyranny in our lifetimes. And as a side benefit, it seems to be militarily weakening North Korea too.

And we have reached the root of the issue I was describing. Yes, democrats aren’t perfect, rather it’s accurate to say they are awful. But you seem to actively be dodging the point that they are better than the alternative whether you like them or not.

As for reflecting on what we can do to stop them, I would say that we could start by not dissuading voters, and instead encourage them to vote every time, especially in primaries, so that a more preferable candidate can be had. In this election, that wouldn’t have done jack shit, but maybe it could have replaced Biden in the previous election. And maybe if you want to tackle the core problems with the DNC, we will have to elect candidates campaigning on doing so within lower levels of government, which will require us to encourage voters, not dissuade them.

Getting mad because people point out that your impotent rage isnt a solution, and instead gets in the way of a solution, also isn’t a solution. What ideas do you have?

Edit: Also, in case it wasnt clear, calling Kamala a secret Nazi makes no sense, so I ignored you. I’ll grant you that democrats absolutely are in bed with corporate interests, and that they absolutely should not have continued to aid a genocide, but that is a far cry from the actual Nazi insanity that is Trump/Musk.

I honestly don’t think division is the intention of most folks like myself, I think it’s a venting of frustration and an honest plea for people to reflect on the past so that history doesn’t repeat itself immediately.

Maybe some people want an apology, but that sounds silly. Personally I just want to see reflection and a commitment to avoiding the same issue going forward. Cause I’m gonna be blunt, it’s impossible to please everyone in a 2 party system, and I guarantee you the Democrats are going to disappoint you next time, but can we agree that they are better than the alternative? And can we embrace the reality of the 2 party system while we strive to improve it?

I am actively looking to join one as soon as there is momentum, because I am certainly not the right candidate for leading a political movement, nor do I think I’m a great fit to generate that early momentum.

But no matter what, I don’t think the group sentiment should be “give me a perfect candidate, or I’m helping the Nazis” That seems like a foundational issue that needs to be corrected, don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. And relatively speaking, the “good” choice was simply not being Nazis.

Adapt to the situation, and as part of the progress maybe we can adopt a better voting system that doesn’t force you to make one of 2 choices for high level government positions. But don’t delude yourself into thinking there was any other option. Our choices were genocide, or more genocide, and voters that didn’t want the genocide candidate ironically helped the more genocide candidate. They should regret that.

I mean, it’s also part of the discourse in social media, too. The person I replied to actually asked for the opinion related to those who share the same sentiment as I do. In this instance, it is kinda on you that you kept reading the thread.

Though I would agree that the overall focus should be on what we do from here. And to that, I’d like to see some form of organized community action, protest, or something like that start to pick up steam so that I could support or participate in.

Sorry hearing “We told ya so” is so irritating to you. The collective focus will shift over time.

You’re right, Harris absolutely lost because she wasn’t good enough. But yeah, people are going to remind you that the alternative is worse, so that hopefully we can avoid this if there ever is a next time.

America has a FTTP voting system, so time has distilled its presidential election into to 2 real choices. This was one, and the milquetoast status quo party is the other. By that merit, not voting for one party helps the other party, though not as much as voting for the opposite. In our case, the opponent of the milquetoast party is the crypto Nazi party.

I’m not the other person you replied to, but personally I think there was a clear choice between the two candidates in regard to which one was better for the Palestinians given their track records. Granted, maybe not good enough in these voters opinions, given that they enabled a genocide in the first place and refused to swiftly correct that action.

Besides billionaires and straight, white, conservative, “Christian” men, I honestly don’t know who benefits from a Trump/Musk presidency as compared to a Harris/Walz presidency.

I get that democrats weren’t good enough, they rarely are in my opinion either, but I do consider them better than this. And yep, she and Biden enabled a genocide, no argument there. I even empathize with those that feel adamant that either we have justice all, or justice for none. But I think we are a little frustrated that in the fatalistic protest, Kamala’s opponents ensured the doom of not just Palestinians, but women, LGBT+ folk, and likely many more.

But hey, price of eggs and all too, right?