Would have been nice if Israel did not steal the land in 1948, displaced 750 000 Palestinian people, having an apartheid state and put millions of Palestinians on starving.
Would been nice if Israel did not do illegal settlements, stealing more homes. Threatening to kill innocent Palestinian people
If they do not give up their own homes.
Would also have been nice if Israel didn’t kill thousands of Palestinian people (more than 20 000 Palestinian people been murdered and ongoing).
But hey that suppose to be “okay” right because “right to self defense” right?
Want to talk about warcrimes? Check Israel’s history and ongoing warcrimes first.
Hamas was literally made because of Israel’s atrocities. They were made in 1987 because of all the things Israel did to the Palestinian people from 1948 up to 1987.
EDIT: Added a bit more context and specifics dates.
Would been nice if Israel did not do illegal settlements, stealing more homes.
Yeah that’s called the West Bank. That’s not even part of Gaza / where Hamas has control. You’re conflating issues as if I’m a dumbass who doesn’t know what’s going on in that region.
Want to talk about warcrimes? Check Israel’s history and ongoing warcrimes first.
So do you condone Oct. 7th or not? Both sides can be jackasses. Whataboutism fucking sucks when Republicans do it, I’m not going to tolerate it here either. If both sides suck, then we have other things to do.
But just saying “Oh, these warcrimes are fine but those aren’t” is no way to solve any issue. You wouldn’t be able to solve two 5-year-olds fighting with that kind of nonsense, and it obviously wouldn’t work on adults who are literally launching bombs at each other.
Again, “do you condone”, it is a nice way of trying to turning around tables isn’t it? I will ask you the same “do you condone Israelis atrocities, warcrimes, stealing land, murdering since 1948 up until now?”
I’m not saying, that one is fine and the other is not. Don’t try to put words into my mouth, that I never wrote or implied.
I’m telling you, before even talking about Hamas warcrimes - Check Israelis warcrimes first. You seem to blame Hamas for everything however the entire blame is Israel’s.
It all started the moment they stole the land in 1948, displaced 750 000 people, apartheid state and kept going on from there.
It all started the moment they stole the land in 1948
That’s a fucking stupid start date.
It all started when the Ottoman Empire collapsed in 1917. The breakup of the empire leads to the modern Middle East crisis. Part of the deal from WW1 was Britain’s plan for the former Ottomans. Yes, it involves Israel and Palestine. It also involves a bunch of other things.
Palestine always was under another state. Yes, It was a Muslim Controlled Empire of the past few centuries, but that power doesn’t exist anymore.
Israel is stealing more land and homes and on a daily basis
Like all the settlers they removed from Gaza in 2005 and all the soldiers they removed?
This is fucking why Gaza vs West Bank matters dude. Gaza is the side the Israeli’s left and returned. To be attacked from “this side” is a huge deal from the perspective of the greater Palestinians vs Israel conflict… and for those who want peace in this region. Hamas has shattered the peace in a way that seemingly cannot be put back together.
Just 6 months ago, Israel was far more focused on West Bank issues than Gaza. Or have you forgotten? Its like history of the last 15 years is completely missing from your understanding, and you are choosing exceptionally weird dates (wtf? 1948 ain’t even the start of the Israel plan. Why the fuck are you choosing this date historically? Most people would choose Balfour Declaration or some shit).
Exactly! That’s why the world should severe its ties with Israel. Israel is a terrorist state that kills children. The most dangerous terrorist organisation right now according the number of civilians killed.
Good on them, I’m happy those two folks can return safely to their families.
… but it would’ve been much nicer if they were returned diplomatically.
It would have been better if Hamas didn’t take civilian hostages to begin with, which btw, is a warcrime. But who is counting?
Would have been nice if Israel did not steal the land in 1948, displaced 750 000 Palestinian people, having an apartheid state and put millions of Palestinians on starving.
Would been nice if Israel did not do illegal settlements, stealing more homes. Threatening to kill innocent Palestinian people If they do not give up their own homes.
Would also have been nice if Israel didn’t kill thousands of Palestinian people (more than 20 000 Palestinian people been murdered and ongoing).
But hey that suppose to be “okay” right because “right to self defense” right?
Want to talk about warcrimes? Check Israel’s history and ongoing warcrimes first.
Hamas was literally made because of Israel’s atrocities. They were made in 1987 because of all the things Israel did to the Palestinian people from 1948 up to 1987.
EDIT: Added a bit more context and specifics dates.
Yeah that’s called the West Bank. That’s not even part of Gaza / where Hamas has control. You’re conflating issues as if I’m a dumbass who doesn’t know what’s going on in that region.
So do you condone Oct. 7th or not? Both sides can be jackasses. Whataboutism fucking sucks when Republicans do it, I’m not going to tolerate it here either. If both sides suck, then we have other things to do.
But just saying “Oh, these warcrimes are fine but those aren’t” is no way to solve any issue. You wouldn’t be able to solve two 5-year-olds fighting with that kind of nonsense, and it obviously wouldn’t work on adults who are literally launching bombs at each other.
It is the West Bank, does not take away about what is happening. I’m not conflating it, I’m explaining it.
Israel is stealing more land and homes and on a daily basis, murdering Palestinian people on a daily basis. Apartheid state.
Israel even said, they wanted to drop an atomic bomb on Gaza https://apnews.com/article/israel-nuclear-weapons-gaza-iran-china-1e18f34dcec40582166796b0ade65768. Not to mention, they called Palestinian people “animals”. I can get that article for you too, if needed.
Again, “do you condone”, it is a nice way of trying to turning around tables isn’t it? I will ask you the same “do you condone Israelis atrocities, warcrimes, stealing land, murdering since 1948 up until now?”
I’m not saying, that one is fine and the other is not. Don’t try to put words into my mouth, that I never wrote or implied.
I’m telling you, before even talking about Hamas warcrimes - Check Israelis warcrimes first. You seem to blame Hamas for everything however the entire blame is Israel’s. It all started the moment they stole the land in 1948, displaced 750 000 people, apartheid state and kept going on from there.
That’s a fucking stupid start date.
It all started when the Ottoman Empire collapsed in 1917. The breakup of the empire leads to the modern Middle East crisis. Part of the deal from WW1 was Britain’s plan for the former Ottomans. Yes, it involves Israel and Palestine. It also involves a bunch of other things.
Palestine always was under another state. Yes, It was a Muslim Controlled Empire of the past few centuries, but that power doesn’t exist anymore.
Like all the settlers they removed from Gaza in 2005 and all the soldiers they removed?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza
This is fucking why Gaza vs West Bank matters dude. Gaza is the side the Israeli’s left and returned. To be attacked from “this side” is a huge deal from the perspective of the greater Palestinians vs Israel conflict… and for those who want peace in this region. Hamas has shattered the peace in a way that seemingly cannot be put back together.
Just 6 months ago, Israel was far more focused on West Bank issues than Gaza. Or have you forgotten? Its like history of the last 15 years is completely missing from your understanding, and you are choosing exceptionally weird dates (wtf? 1948 ain’t even the start of the Israel plan. Why the fuck are you choosing this date historically? Most people would choose Balfour Declaration or some shit).
You seem not to be able to discuss without being rude, it seems.
It is not a “stupid start date” is the start date that Israel became Israel and stole the land from the Palestinian people.
Since you are not able to discuss with manners, I refuse to explain anything further.
If anyone else wants to pick up the discussing from here with me on a nice manner, I’ll give counter arguments to this persons claim.
So you really don’t know what the Balfour Declaration was, who the Ottomans were, the end of WW1 or any of that?
Fine, whatever. Figure it out yourself.
Just read my last sentence/ paragraph. That’s all I have to say. After this I will not comment to you anymore.
Negotiating with terrorists is about the dumbest thing one can do.
Terrorism begets terrorists. Whaddya gonna do?
Terrorism also begets power for Bibi. So guess what.
Exactly! That’s why the world should severe its ties with Israel. Israel is a terrorist state that kills children. The most dangerous terrorist organisation right now according the number of civilians killed.